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Offline aghadowey

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KELLY family in New York City
« on: Tuesday 02 October 18 13:24 BST (UK) »
Yes, I know Kellys in New York are a nightmare- which is why I need help. What I have so far-

James J. Kelly born Oct.1861 N.Y. (both parents born Ireland) according to 1900 census- and was a plumber (thank goodness for a slightly unusual occupation)-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-69BQ-P82?i=43&cc=1325221
He married c1885 (marriage not found yet) Catherine Spooner
Topic on her family here- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=215949
I have his family in later census records in 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1930.
From 1919 the family lived at 2511 Poplar St., Bronx. He died circa 1930 and I believe he's the James J. Kelly who died in the Bronx 2 July 1931 age 67.

He had a brother John F. Kelly (middle name Felix), also a plumber, born Aug.1865 N.Y. according to 1900 census-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6P8S-QGY?i=6&cc=1325221
He married c1890 (marriage not found yet) Sophia Burke. Sophia died 1921 but haven't found Thomas' death yet.

Today I finally found a clue as to their parents-
1880 Census- 427 West 32d St., N.Y.: Thomas Kelly, 41, Ire., stone flagging; wife Mary Kelly, 44, Ire.; son James Kelly, 17, at plumbing; son John Kelly, 15, NY, at school.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYBL-TSB?i=8&cc=1417683

I'm wondering if anyone can help find the above family of Thomas & Mary before and after 1880.
All I can find so are two 2 possible records- but not sure I'm on the right track-
? 1870 Census- N.Y.: Thomas Kelly, 40, labourer; Mary Kelly, 36; James Kelly, 7; John Kelly, 5; Thomas Kelly, 3; Joseph Kelly, 6 mo.
? 1875 N.Y.State Census (1 June)- Brooklyn, Kings Co.: wife Mary Kelly, 48, Ire.; child Katy Kelly, 14, Brooklyn; child Jas Kelly, 13, Brooklyn; child John Kelly, 8, Brooklyn.
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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 15:29 BST (UK) »
UPDATE

Found John F. Kelly's file in LDS Bronx Probate files- died 19 Sept.1928 (home address and names of 2 surviving children match). With that date I was finally able to locate the death extract-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WLB-CN9
Parents given as Thomas Kelly & Mary Fogherty (both born in Ireland) which might connect to family story about brother James J. Kelly's family- James' mother and mother-in-law (Bridget/Anna Fogerty) supposed to have known each other in Ireland.
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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 16:11 BST (UK) »
You don't mention that you have the 1892 New York State Census record for James and Catherine.  Found a possible James Kelly, aged 31, a laborer, in Brooklyn, with wife Kate, aged 29.  No children in the household yet.  Suggests a marriage around 1891?

I also have an Alexander & Susan Kelly in Brooklyn and later in Long Island that have driven me crazy over the years, so know how you feel.


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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 16:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the suggest but not sure if it's the right family of not. Eldest child was Mary C. Kelly, known as Mamie, born May 1890 (known she wasn't born much later than that as next child Florence Josephine was born Oct.1891).
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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 16:40 BST (UK) »
1890 NY City Directory:

Kelly, James, plumber, 405 E. 17th
Kelly, James, plumber, 415 W. 35th

Kelly, John, plumber, E. 72nd
Kelly, John, plumber, 175 E. 75th
Kelly, John, plumber, 344 E. 77th
Kelly, John, plumber, 2112 Eighth Ave.
Kelly, John, plumber, 2736 Tenth Ave.

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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 21:39 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the list. Will put it in the files to see if those addresses turn up again.
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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 11 October 18 23:36 BST (UK) »
In New York city directories, for Thomas Kelly, all at 427 W. 32nd, names for occupation:

1876 stonecutter
1877 stone
1879 stone
1880 cutter
1882 mason
1883 mason
1884 cutter
1886 cutter

Nothing before 1876 or after 1886, for that address, in the directories I could find.
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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 October 18 14:00 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for those latest details. If the Mary Kelly who died in 1888 is Thomas wife then it's possible they moved a short distance away just after the 1886 directory.
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Re: KELLY family in New York City
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 October 18 12:56 BST (UK) »
If this is the Mary Kelly you referenced, this death record gives parents' names.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amary~%20%2Bsurname%3Akelly~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Afogherty~&collection_id=2240477&collectionNameFilter=true
 New York, New York City Municipal Deaths, 1795-1949
Reference ID    cn 13544
GS Film Number    1446984

Name    Mary Kelly
Event Type    Death
Event Date    28 Apr 1888
Event Place    Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Address    416 W. 32nd
Gender    Female
Age    52
Marital Status    Married
Race    White
Birth Year (Estimated)    1836
Birthplace    Ireland
Cemetery    Calvary
Father's Name    James Fogarty
Father's Birthplace    Ireland
Mother's Name    Hannah Fogarty
Mother's Birthplace    Ireland

The address given above is close by the 427 W. 32nd given in the 1880 census record.  This Mary's age is consistent with the census record, also.  This record said she was married not widowed, so your Thomas would still be alive in 1888, assuming this Mary is his wife.

I have a feeling this death might be connected, a newborn who died the day after the above Mary Kelly.  Baby's parents were Thomas and Mary.  Was this a late-in-life baby for your Mary?

Name    Maggie Kelly
Event Type    Death
Event Date    29 Apr 1888
Event Place    Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender    Female
Age    0
Marital Status    Unknown
Birth Year (Estimated)    1888
Cemetery    Calvary
Father's Name    Thomas Kelly
Father's Birthplace    Ireland
Mother's Name    Mary Kelly
Mother's Birthplace    Ireland
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