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Re: Looking for John K. Lucy, Stockport, Cheshire 1851-1881
« Reply #45 on: Saturday 13 August 05 14:03 BST (UK) »
Oh well...... our guy could be a Head (taking care of parents/family) or a son, etc. on census nite......or he could have been travelling.....

I think we should just give it up for now.....too exhausting...maybe it will come back to us after it rests for a while.   

Working on the "Kemp"  name to see if any leads there but nothing yet.

Thanks for all your work, ec!  Enjoy your weekend! 

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Re: Looking for John K. Lucy, Stockport, Cheshire 1851-1881
« Reply #46 on: Saturday 13 August 05 18:59 BST (UK) »
Never one to give up easily ;D

Had a better look 1901 and found Margaret Esther

Thomas Hadfield 1834  Stockport, Cheshire, Head  Mens hat and cap buyer
John T Hadfield 1864  Stockport, Cheshire, Son  Cheshire Accountants clerk
Margaret E Hadfield 1865  Liverpool, Lancashire, Daughter-in-law   
Ethel M Hadfield 1894  Stockport, Cheshire, Granddaughter   
Sophia White 1851  Southampton, Hampshire, England Servant 

RG13/3293 f 84 p9
RD Stockport 
SubRD Stockport First 


Edwin Sparks LUCY appears to pop up in 1910 US census, widowed.  Its very hard to read but I think it says Foreman (something) picture framer. (something like his occupation 1891)  One of the questions is about his father - at this point he seems to believe his father (John LUCY), was English.  Year of entry to US is difficult - could be 1885 or 1895.  It looks more like 1885, but his child Charles was born Stockport 1891, so unless he was also an international jet setter.....

Edwin S Lucy
Age in 1910,    43 
Est Birth 1867 
Home in 1910  4-Wd Springfield, Hampden, Massachusetts
Race, White   
Series T624 
Roll 592 
Part 1 
Page 165A
 

Still in US 1920

Edwin S Lucy
Age 53 
Est birth 1867 
Birthplace  England 
Race White 
Home in 1920  New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts
Roll T625_686 
Page 20A 
ED 138 
Image 333 

still widowed.  Year of immigration 1885 (so he was an international jet setter).  Still thinks his father was English.  Cant read occupation.

He also appears in the New Bedford, Massachusetts Directories, 1887 and 1889-90 as a 'frame maker'

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Re: Looking for John K. Lucy, Stockport, Cheshire 1851-1881
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 13 August 05 19:59 BST (UK) »
Hi ec!  Thanks for the Margaret Hadfield info.

I found that Edwin Lucy in US in 1880  --  1880 doesn't give a whole lot of info  --   but was interested in that wife was "Lizzie", a dau Lillie and another dau "Lizzie".  He was a picture framer in New Bedford, Bristol, MA. Think there was also a boarder.   Dates were off on Edwin, wife, and Lillie by several years ---  but that is not uncommon. 

I didn't go further with him 'cause the daus indicated born in Mass.  and Wife b. in Ireland!   Lizzie/Eliza Coller b. in Stockport, England, I thought!

No "Sparks" name or middle initial included in 1880 and immigration info isn't requested in 1880.

But I'll go have another look at him in 1900, etc.   Thanks!  Good find!

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Re: Looking for John K. Lucy, Stockport, Cheshire 1851-1881
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 13 August 05 20:45 BST (UK) »
Okay --  took me a while to straighten that out..... 

The Edwin S. Lucy you have above  I found yesterday when looking for the Spedding group of (wool sorters) and wondered if "Picture Framer" could be stretched to "Furniture Dealer"......however at that moment, did not have the UK census info noting his profession as a "picture framer" (or it hadn't computed in my foggy brain yet)   ----- so think that has to be BINGO!     He didn't pop out in 1900 US  but will check again --  would be nice to see wife, children with him then.    Bummer that there is no US 1890!


The Edwin I was think of above is in 1880 PHILADELPHIA and is KING  -- 
Edwin King b. 1833 in Eng  F/M: Eng   Lamp Maker
wife Lizzie   b. 1834 b. in Ire  F/M: Ire
dau  Lillie b. 1856  PA  School Teacher
dau Lizzie b. 1858 PA Store Clerk
Annie Baker Boarder b. 1817 PA  F/M: PA

Maria's brother Edwin King b. 1838 but wife Eliza b. 1840 in Stockport and dau Lilly Eliza b. 1861 in Stockport.

However, Maria has a cousin Edwin as well who is at large! 


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Re: Looking for John K. Lucy, Stockport, Cheshire 1851-1881
« Reply #49 on: Saturday 13 August 05 21:51 BST (UK) »
ec,  Edwin must be a confused widower about when he immigrated....


Arrival August 9, 1891 Boston
Ship" "Cephalonia"
Edwin Lucy 26  Gilder    Last Residence/Birthplace:  England
Edwina Lucy 24
Charles Lucy  Infant

Can't find him still in 1900.

He's a Lodger in a boarding house in both the 1910 and 1920 census.

Profession in 1920 I think is "Packer at a Quilt Factory".

Will look for son Charles and Edwin in 1930!
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Re: Looking for John K. Lucy, Stockport, Cheshire 1851-1881
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 14 August 05 05:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

Perhaps he went to US in 1885, then came back, got married, had Charles and returned to US again?

Charles was born beginning 1891 (3 mos on 1891 census). 

Good find - where did you get the immigration details from?

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