Thomas Cleveland, b. 1809 or 1816?

[SamuelF992]

Hi all,

I'm looking at Thomas Cleveland, born in Gloucester, and am trying to work out his birth date. The 1871, 1881 and death certificate give a birth date of around 1809, and the 1851 census gives a date of 1824. I know from his marriage certificate (25 Dec 1843, Rothwell, Northamptonshire) that his father was John Cleveland, a fellmonger. The only Gloucester baptism I have found for a Thomas Cleveland born to John is a non-conformist record that gives his birth date as 3 Nov 1816. I know self-given birth dates are not always reliable and people could give a take a few years, but is a 7 year discrepancy quite unlikely? Would like to know your thoughts before I delve further.

Best wishes
Samuel

[philipsearching]

Just in case you don't have it (or to save other Rootschatters searching) the 1841 census has:
folio 46 piece 380 page 7, Cirencester:
CLEVELAND John, 45, fellmonger (Anc***** transcribed as CHARLAND)
but no sign of a wife or family.

Philip

[CaroleW]

Looking at the 1871 entry his wife is Ann b Wiltshire whereas 1851 shows Catherine b Northants.  Did Catherine die and Thomas remarried?

1851 shows dtr Sarah 2 whereas 1871 has Sarah 26

[CaroleW]

Catherine died Dec qtr 1864 aged 42 so birth year 1822 - she was 27 on the 1851 entry

Thomas married Ann Brown Sept qtr 1865

[Capetown]

Forest of Dean has this marriage at


??
Gloucester St John the Baptist

John CLEVELAND of this Parish
Mary SAUNDERS of this Parish

witnesses: Charles CLEVELAND, Rebecca CLEVELAND, Ephriam CLOSE


-----

Gloucestershire Non-Conformist Register

St Johns, Gloucester

parents: John & Mary

John - baptised, Sept 19 185 - date of birth July 01 1815
Thomas - baptised Nov 27 1816 *corrected- date of birth Nov 03 1816
Charles - baptised Jan 04 1819 - born Dec 07 1818
 

[CaroleW]

Thomas appears to have been baptised before he was born . Suspect 1816 should be 1815 or vice versa

[philipsearching]

I'm looking at Thomas Cleveland, born in Gloucester, and am trying to work out his birth date. The 1871, 1881 and death certificate give a birth date of around 1809, and the 1851 census gives a date of 1824

1851 shows dtr Sarah 2 whereas 1871 has Sarah 26

It does seem that the 1851 enumerator was having an off day.  Unless of course there are two (or more) Thomas CLEVELANDs.  What was Thomas' occupation on the marriage cert and censuses?

Philip

[philipsearching]

Just in case you don't have it (or to save other Rootschatters searching) the 1841 census has:
folio 46 piece 380 page 7, Cirencester:
CLEVELAND John, 45, fellmonger (Anc***** transcribed as CHARLAND)
but no sign of a wife or family.

ADDITION
1851 census HO107 1968 p23 (Anc*****) Gloucester Street, Cirencester
CLEVELAND John 61, head, fell monger, born Bedford
CLEVELAND Mary 48, wife, laundress, born Duntshorne Gloucs
CLEVELAND Joseph A 14 , son, fell monger, born Gloucester Gloucs
CLEVELAND Frederick W 4, son, born Cirencester, Gloucs

(GRO) Birth registered Jun qtr 1846 Gloucester Union vol 11 p264 CLEVELAND Frederick William mmn WOOLLEY
My guess is that Mary WOOLLEY (born c1803) was John's second wife, married before 1837.

Philip

[Capetown]

Gloucestershirebmd

John CLEVELAND married Mary Ann WOOLLEY - Cirencester Parish Church 1844


(two copy entries of the marriage on Ancestry - John was a Widower and married Mary Ann MOREMAN? who a Widow who gives her father as John WOOLLEY)