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Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« on: Thursday 04 October 18 11:52 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for the origins of a Phoebe Lumley who died in Durham in 1944.I've recently been contacted by someone on a Website who suggests that her Maiden name was Jones.He said this following a Birth from the Marriage in 1921 of a Frank F Lumley and a Phoebe Rutherford  in 1921 in Durham,which gives the Mother's maiden name as Jones.Phoebe's birth is given as c 1890.I'm not finding a Rutherford/Phoebe Jones Marriage in the years 1916-1921.Now given that she does not appear in the 1911 Census as Phoebe Rutherford it is highly likely that the Rutherford/Phoebe Jones Marriage took place between the years 1911-1915.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 October 18 11:57 BST (UK) »
If there was a child b 1921, then there's a decent chance he/she would be with Phoebe for the 1939 register.
However, the child Frank F(ormby) Lumley MMN Jones was born 1929

and the marriage Lumley-Rutherford wasn't 1921 either, it was Marriages Jun 1/4 1923 

Have you even checked that out?

Plenty of opportunity for a WW1 marriage and widowhood for Phoebe
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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 October 18 12:14 BST (UK) »
Possible
Sep 1912 Sunderland 10a 1333
Jones, Phoebe - spouse Rutherford
Rutherford, James - spouse Jones

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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 October 18 12:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your replies it seems the 1912 Sunderland Marriage looks promising.The Lumley/Rutherford Marriage was indeed in 1923.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 October 18 13:00 BST (UK) »
It does appear that I will be able to tell my contact that the purchase of the 1923 Marriage Certificate is essential  in order to find further details of Phoebe Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 October 18 13:09 BST (UK) »
I may have a possible lead.Could Easington Durham also cover North Shields?

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 October 18 13:16 BST (UK) »
Hi
Here's a list of places in Easington registration district
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/easington.html

I may have a possible lead.

Births of James and Phoebe Rutherford, mmn Jones, in Easington in 1913 and 1914?

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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 October 18 13:19 BST (UK) »
Hi
Here's a list of places in Easington registration district
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/easington.html

I may have a possible lead.

Births of James and Phoebe Rutherford, mmn Jones, in Easington in 1913 and 1914?

Thanks it seems these places are in any event very close.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 October 18 13:26 BST (UK) »
Death, Sep 1944 South Shields 10a 587
Lumley, Phoebe   
age 54

A Phoebe Jones in 1911, perhaps the only one in Sunderland or Easington districts
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC9-19Y