Payne William born Otley 1818 - 1819

[AMBLY]

Just to say, Elizabeth’s Place is birth is “Fort William, Inverness”, on the 1871 census, not Fort George.

Are we looking for a marriage prior to 1861 census? Possibly, after 1841?

Oh, to find him in 1851! 

Cheers
Ambly

[AMBLY]

Can’t discount that he joined Army, perhaps only a 10-12 year engagement - and met and married Elizabeth that way, and could be overseas in 1851?

Cheers
Ambly

[Lance Matthews]

I will have a look through the army records. Fort George may be a red herring, as if it was Fort William Elizabeth would not have an army connection. Understanding Williams parents and siblings may be of assistance.

[ColC]

My apologies I had noted Fort George from the original post. However a similar situation for Fort William no births are noted on SP for either. I wonder if all the army records were collated at Fort Augustus, the only one of the 3 Forts noted on SP. Six Elizabeth's 1811 - 1816 the years on the 3 census returns.

Colin

 

[Lance Matthews]

I have started looking for their deaths, hoping it may be a clue. The only William Payne I can find where the dates match is a death in Leeds Dec 1896, aged 78. I have looked through Yorkshire, North, East & West. Cannot find the Leeds William Payne in the 1891 census.

[AMBLY]

William PAYNE and Catherine JILLINGS who married 1816, may be the couple who had children baptised in Otley, incl two job-lots in 1825 and 1837 with the birth dates of the children dating between 1821 and 1835?   They're in Otley 1841 & 1851. I think she died 1852 (Kitty) and he 1858?

Have you got all those details, as possible parents/siblings of your William? Been looking at marriages of some of those, see if a good-looking witness pops up - no luck so far!

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Elizabeth's death looks likely to be:

Elizabeth PAINE, aged 81, registered Richmond Yks, June Qtr 1890.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

William PAINE
Baptised: 13 Nov 1818, Thirsk
Father: William Paine
Mother: Catharine
FHL Film Number: 918432
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB33-N3G

Oh to find the 1851!

Cheers
AMBLY

[Lance Matthews]

Many thanks. It is always difficult to be sure the information given, the further you go back, can be trusted. I always like to have belt and braces, if humanly possible. I have 10 children for Catherine & William. In my notes for this family, the 1841 census shows that William & Henry are missing.