Farr and Rowberry

[jennyrob]

I would be grateful for help I have got back as far as a marriage certificate between Emma Rowberry aged 22 and George Farr 22 a dealer

They married in 1853 in Bristol, Georges father was William a dealer Emma's father was John a coach proprietor

The witnesses were Edward Farr and Sophia Jenkins

 On the 1871 census Emma was living in Pontnewynydd as a widow  ( born Brecon 1834 )with her were children Henry 13 Elizabeth 14 and William Farr 9 (the line I am following )
I cant for the life of me find them in 1861 which would  tell me were her husband George was born  so i can get back further I am not even sure of Emma Rowberry descendants

 In  1851 There is an Emma (Trevethin Pontypool) with mother Elizabeth, no father at house although Elizabeth is said to be married  In 1841 there is an Emma is living Trevethin Pontypool  with father John and mother Mary same dates of birth but different place of birth
 I am wondering why they married in Bristol as well

[Drosybont]

In my Monmouthshire research I've had trouble finding 1861 Census records - I think there are missing sections.  People from Monmouthshire seem to have married in Bristol for all sorts of reasons and sometimes for no apparent reason at all!  It's a subject discussed recently by members of the Mongenes website which has been set up for people with Monmouthshire ancestry.  Might be worth having a look at it to see if you would find it useful.

I've had a quick look at this for you.  According to the censuses you've found, Emma's children were born in Trevethin and I think I can see a possible George Farr in a family there in the 1851 Census, with William as a middle name.  If that's the right one, there's an 1870 death which would fit in with when you've found Emma as a widow. 

Emma gives her place of birth as Brecon and I can see a possible baptism for her there in 1833, surname spelled Robery I think it said.  Have to go shopping now, I'll have a look later to see if others have chipped in to help or whether you need more.

Drosybont

[rosie17]

A tree on Ancestry has the death certificate for this George William Farr 10/12/1870 his occupation pig dealer ..Elizabeth Farr made her mark and present at death

Rosie

[carom]

I don't know if you are aware of it, but there is a one-name study for the Rowberry name, run by a lady called Polly Rubery.

[osprey]

there was another daughter Ada Jane born 18 Sep 1864 according to her birth notice


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3081246/3081254/68/

She was baptised 8 March 1865 in Trevethin and buried 13 March aged 6 months.

Elizabeth Sophia was baptised 15 Feb 1856 in Raglan, dau of George, dealer, and Emma. The baptism makes the Farr family mentioned by Drosybont look a good match.

1851 Full Moon, George Street Pontypool HO107/2449 folio 80 pg 2
William Farr head widower 49 innkeeper and dealer in pigs
Edward son 21 dealer in pigs
Elizabeth dau 20 assistant at the inn b. Bryngwyn
George William son 18 dealer in pigs
John Meyrick son 14
Thomas son 13
Mary Sophia dau 11
Ann dau 9
Jane dau 7
Harriet dau 6 no pob noted
Catherine dau 6 no pob noted
Sophia Edwards sister in law 33 barmaid b. Trostrey
Jane Williams servant 15 b. NK
Jacob Wolfe Jolner lodger 34 travelling jeweller b. Poland
Elizabeth Edwards mother in law widow 74 farmer of 25 acres employing 1 man b. Landenny
John Smith 20 ag lab. Castletown
Morgan Thomas 40 pig dealer b. Carmarthen
all born Raglan except where noted

George William Farr baptised Raglan 31 May 1835 son of William, victualler, and Mary
Marriage for William Farr & Mary Edwards 3 Aug 1829 in Raglan
William Farr baptised Raglan17 Feb 1802 son of William & Catherine
Mary Farr aged 42 buried 17 Jan 1845 in Bryngwyn, address noted as Pontypool
13 Jan 1845 baptism of Harriet & Ann, twins of William & Mary, Full Moon Pontypool - census & birth reg has twins as Harriet & Catherine

[jennyrob]

Thanks everyone for the info

Sorry I should have said that on William 1861( the one descended from)
 His marriage cert stated his fathers name was  George Stanley Farr a farmer (deceased) when he married Agnes Mary Edmonds in Piccadilly in 1882  On censuses  it said he was born in Pontypool William John was a Sailor at that time
I found William  1861 Pontypool with mother Rowberry
Could there be a mistake in this marriage cerificate on line  and could George William  be the one
 

[osprey]

there are two other William Farrs around Pontypool at that time, one the son of Edward, the witness to the marriage of George & Emma, and he married Amelia Phillips in 1880 and the other the son of John Farr and he married Jane Ann Leonard 17 April 1889.

So it does look like the William, son of George, is yours and there may have been a mistake with his middle name on the marriage cert. William would have been quite young when his father died & it may have been his error or may been made by the person filling out the register.


 

[jennyrob]

Thanks everyone Problem solved