Haniel Davies 1827/8 - 1892

[Gordon Hughes]

Hi,
I'm trying to establish who the parents are for Haniel Davies from Glyn Ceiriog. In the 1841 census he is at Pandy Uchaf with his parents Edward Davies and Elizabeth Roberts, and other siblings. However, according to the Llangollen Advertiser he died on the 10th January 1892 at the age of 64. This puts his birth in 1827 (probably). Edward and Elizabeth got married on the 7th April 1828 at which time Edward was a widower. This suggests that Haniel was probably Edward's son by his previous marriage. Unfortunately I can't find any baptism record for Haniel and the only census record I can find for him is 1841 (which may be due to his slightly uncommon name and poor transcriptions).

I think I may know who his mother is, but I'd be interested if anyone has any further insight into Haniel and might come to the same conclusion as I have.

Many thanks, Gordon.

 

[JJen]

Hi Gordon,

Can't find a baptism for Haniel 

For your info - 1891 -

Haniel Davies   60 b. Llansantffraid Glyn Ceiriog, Denbighshire. Ag Lab
Elizabeth Davies wife    63 b. Llangollen, Denbighshir
Edward William Davies grandson 11 b. Llansantffraid Glyn Ceiriog, Denbighshire

RG12 Piece 4638 Folio 98 Page 18, Garth, Llansaintffraid Glyn Ceiriog.

JJ

[hanes teulu]

This is the family in 1881 - without Haniel  reference RG11  5541  102  12

[hanes teulu]

There's a civil marriage record for Haniel Davies and Elizabeth Roberts, Mar Qtr 1855, Oswestry

[hanes teulu]

Is this the family in 1871 - again minus Haniel?

RG10  5684  18  13

[Gordon Hughes]

Thanks for all the feedback. Yes I did spot the census records minus Haniel. He was a road worker so I expect he was away from home at the time of the census, although I'm not sure how that would be captured. You'd think he'd appear as a lodger somewhere but I can't find him anywhere.

In any case, that doesn't really help me get closer to identifying his mother. I think I have a clue but I'm still working on that.

Gordon

[Gadget]

In the 1841 census he is at Pandy Uchaf with his parents Edward Davies and Elizabeth Roberts, and other siblings. Edward and Elizabeth got married on the 7th April 1828 at which time Edward was a widower.

Hi

I've looked at all my non-c records for Denbighshire and the online non-c ones for other neighbouring counties but can find no trace of a baptism.  Have you got any baptisms for the other children of Edward and Elizabeth?

Also, note that Elizabeth was Elizabeth Edwards not Roberts . Witnesses of the marriage were Benjamin  Davies and Edward Edwards .

Gadget

[Gordon Hughes]

Thanks Gadget,

Yes of course - I mistyped. It was Elizabeth Edwards.

So I did find an early marriage record for an Edward Davies, for the 6th June 1808, to a Mary Hughes. I'm wondering whether this is the same Edward Davies. Also given the apparent birth of Haniel in 1827 relatively close to Edward's second marriage, whether Mary died in childbirth to Haniel. It's a very long shot, but if I'm right, it would explain a fairly strong DNA match between myself (I think Mary may well be the sister to my 3g-grandmother Elizabeth Hughes) and a direct descendant of Haniel Davies.

Gordon

[Gadget]

The surnames are so common in Glyn 

Have you checked for a burial for Mary?  I'm away shortly but will have a look this evening, if you don't find anything first.  I've got lots of info on the area 


Gadget