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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #54 on: Friday 12 October 18 16:32 BST (UK) »
I just hate 'guessing'/'assuming' when it comes to ancestry.
as we know that is never a good thing and cements an error for all time usually.


In family history you are absolutely right not to assume anything, unless it is actually written down or recorded at the time, or you can corroborate it with a second document.

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #55 on: Saturday 13 October 18 12:29 BST (UK) »

 
St Andrew's Leeds - Waddingtons (Monopoly) Factory


Comment found online regarding The Vicarage to said Church
 
"http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2002820_37447756&DISPLAY=FULL"
 


"The house opposite Waddingtons was the Vicarage for St Andrews Church Stourton.
 
The Vicar at the time I lived there 1939-46 was the Rev. J.A.V. Rushworth,
 
followed by Rev. W. Johnston.     

Downline from the bridge were two other bridges over Pontefract road and over the canal and river.
 
It may interest PS that his aunt Violet Styles was my Sunday school teacher at St Andrews."

 
So, guess who the Officiating Minister was on Paul's GrandParent's 1914 Wedding?
the Rev. J.A.V. Rushworth


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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 13 October 18 14:00 BST (UK) »
Careful, Ray - that one is St Andrew's Stourton, not St Andrew's in Cavendish Street.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #57 on: Saturday 13 October 18 14:13 BST (UK) »


I am only posting the notes,     
ie the link to Rev JAV Rushworth.


I don't even know where that Waddington factory is (yet).

The "coincidence" maybe that he "worked" at 2 similarly-named churches.     
It's Paul's thread to decide on what feedback he gets.

Thanks for reinforcing the geography, though.
Ray

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 13 October 18 16:23 BST (UK) »
Must be the same guy.

Waddingtons was on "Wakefield Road"

Another Parish Church St Andrew  ::)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/da425e39-eecf-4dc0-9597-80c22b3cd822

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 13 October 18 17:09 BST (UK) »
Although you can't see, on the Ancestry images for St Andrew, Stourton, the WYAS reference (from their Collection Guide) is RDP44 - not RDP62.
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 13 October 18 19:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

Within this thread "typos"     
I ( we )  search for potential links.     I posted notes of a potential link.     

Waddingtons had more than 1x factory.     More than a single church     

We can all see the marriage details. ( but not the actual church )     
Direct connections to the church do not appear to be online.     
Document originals ( and their filing details ) are with WYAS (Leeds?)
Thread Originator lives in Leeds . . . . .

I can see JAVR in 1911.     
As a young cleric he could have moved anywhere in his young(er) years.     



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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 13 October 18 20:26 BST (UK) »
When John Albert Victor Rushworth performed the marriage on 15 Aug 1914 he was described as 'Officiating Minister'. This term is used when a clergyman isn't attached to the parish where he is taking a service - in other words, whatever appointment he may have held, it wasn't at St Andrew's.

The Vicar of St Andrew's at that time was William de Lacy Evans. From looking at the register, in 1914 he performed no marriages between 25 July and 16 Sep, leading us to guess that he might have been ill or on holiday. A page that's already been referred to in this thread notes that he was appointed Vicar in 1882 - see http://www.leedsindexers.co.uk/_Leeds.html#Trade_Directories

Digging further, we can find out a bit more about John Albert Victor Rushworth. There are some editions of Crockford's Clerical Directory at Ancestry, and he can be found in the one for 1932. If anyone wants to check, this is on p.1136 of the book, image no.1141 of the set.

This indicates that he was appointed Perpetual Curate of Stourton in 1921 (that is presumably the St Andrew's near Waddingtons' factory), but from 1914-21 he was Curate of St Simon's, Leeds. As the Leeds Indexers article notes, this was a parish created by taking a portion out of St Andrew's Cavendish Street (in 1869). So in August 1914 he helped out by taking a marriage in the next-door parish while the vicar was unavailable.

His later appointment to a different St Andrew's is therefore just a coincidence.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #62 on: Saturday 13 October 18 21:16 BST (UK) »


 :)     


Thanks ArthurK     


"Next door parish" is what some might find easier to understand.     


So, would someone summarise what Paul knows?     
and then, from where the final piece(s) can be obtained?     


I think that we know what needs to be done next ( and from early days of this thread )

Ray


"The wise man knows how little he knows, the foolish man does not". My Grandfather & Father.

"You can’t give kindness away.  It keeps coming back". Mark Twain (?).