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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 October 18 09:22 BST (UK) »
I also have searched deaths around that time but I've no idea how I can use the findings to help me?!

In 1876 MQ West Derby 8B 373 James K died at 0

1877 MQ Liverpool 8B 75 James K died at 0

In 1878 SQ Liverpool 8B 70 James K died at 3

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 October 18 09:30 BST (UK) »
Presumably you don't have the GRO certificate for the 1897 marriage? That might tell you the father's occupation....or it might not. We don't know if the father James was still alive in 1897.
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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 October 18 09:36 BST (UK) »
I also have searched deaths around that time but I've no idea how I can use the findings to help me?!

In 1876 MQ West Derby 8B 373 James K died at 0

1877 MQ Liverpool 8B 75 James K died at 0

In 1878 SQ Liverpool 8B 70 James K died at 3

Mx

The 3 yr old who died in 1878 was buried at Ford Cemetery, 30 Aug 1878.  Abode: 2c Gladstone St.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 October 18 09:38 BST (UK) »
I've attached their marriage cert. which is disappointingly devoid of details!


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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 October 18 09:49 BST (UK) »
Catholic baptisms in Liverpool for Jacobus (James) Kennedy:

13.06.1876 (born 29.05.1876) - parents John & Sarah Ann(a) nee Everds, of 5/1 Gascoyne St
11.09.1876 (born 30.07.1876) - parents James & Mary/Maria nee Smith
26.12.1876 (born 13.12.1876) - parents William and Helen(a)/Ellen nee Pollard
31.12.1876 (born 30.12.1876) - parents Benjamin & Catherine nee Peake
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 October 18 09:58 BST (UK) »
avm - that's amazing work. I DO know his Father is another James Kennedy and definitely Catholic. So your info points to 11.09.1876 - parents James and Mary/Maria Smith as there are no other Catholic baptisms with the Father being James?

Would you be able to search 1875/1877 at all?

Thank you so much!
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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 11 October 18 10:06 BST (UK) »
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I've attached their marriage cert. which is disappointingly devoid of details!
That's the RC marriage register entry. There will also be the normal civil marriage certificate in the prescribed format which the Registrar would have required and which will be held at Liverpool Register Office and at the GRO. See https://goo.gl/a9kwuW
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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 11 October 18 10:10 BST (UK) »
Nothing for James Kennedy in 1875 (though there may have been Catholic baptisms which are not online).

Others:

James Connor Kennedy born 14.02.1876 & baptised 02.05.1876 to John & Margaret nee Connor.
Patrick James Kennedy born 11.03.1877 & baptised 18.03.1877 to Patrick & Rosanna nee Hannan.
James Kennedy born 10.04.1878 & baptised 16.04.1878 to John & Ellen nee Cahill.
James Kennedy born 26.12.1878 & baptised 27.12.1878 to Joseph & Mary/Maria nee Stanley.

So no competition for James and Mary/Maria nee Smith, though you may be able to eliminate some of the other birth entries.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 11 October 18 10:16 BST (UK) »
That's a HUGE help - thank you. I've just found the baptism record of nee Smith and see it's at the Our Lady of Reconciliation de la Salette church, interestingly is where his first born son's marriage takes place (although his own marriage is at St Anthony's)