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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:03 BST (UK) »
There was another child born on 3 July 1902 - James - baptised on 7 July at St Sylvesters.

Wow, so there is! I can only assume given they had a son in 1912 named James Joseph (and the eldest sons all seem to have been named James in the family) that this little fella died at some point prior to 1912. I can see Ford Cemetery 1903/1908 entries have James Kennedy entries at age 1 and 6 respectively. Sadly no details on them like addresses.

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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:10 BST (UK) »
Where is William KENNEDY b. 1897 Liverpool parents James KENNEDY and Julia McCARTHY  at 1911
census.

Is this William KENNEDY your ancestor?

"..James Joseph Kennedy born 7 Oct 1912."  Do you know that James is their son, or do you mean that you have found this entry on an index.

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:11 BST (UK) »
Census 1901 @  72 Virgil Street
KENNEDY James     25y                                 b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Julia        23y                                 b. Liverpool
KENNEDY William     3y                                  b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Daniel     18y     visitor                    b. Liverpool

The 1911 census has James and Julia KENNEDY, married 14 years. No children with them.

The 1911 census has Daniel KENNEDY 30y, wife Catherine 29y, married 9 years, and daughter Bridget 2y.
Also niece Ellen KENNEDY 6y  and nephew Christfer 3y

GRO birth
KENNEDY, Christopher mms.  MCCARTHY     
1907  DQ Liverpool  Vol 08b  pg 49

KENNEDY Bridget  mms. McCARTHY
1909 JQ Liverpool   Vol 08b  pg13   

Marriage
KENNEDY Daniel    m.  Catherine McCARTHY
SQ 1902 Vol Liverpool Vol 08b  pg234

I think it is likely that James KENNEDY b. Liverpool 1876/7, and Daniel KENNEDY b. ~1880 Liverpool, are brothers.


Thank you so much! Love a good Census entry! I'm amazed though there's another Kennedy (Daniel) marrying a McCarthy (Catherine!) I wonder if Catherine and Julia were related?!!! I have just checked my records and have Julia as having a sister Catherine....!

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:15 BST (UK) »
Where is William KENNEDY b. 1897 Liverpool parents James KENNEDY and Julia McCARTHY  at 1911
census.

Is this William KENNEDY your ancestor?

"..James Joseph Kennedy born 7 Oct 1912."  Do you know that James is their son, or do you mean that you have found this entry on an index.



The William Kennedy in 1911 appears (by location, address given, age etc) to be "inmate" at St Georges Industrial school which explains the listing as 'alive' on the home Census but not recorded.

The 7 Oct 1912 James Joseph I know for definite is their son as I have his birth certificate.

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:39 BST (UK) »
Daniel Kennedy son of James Kennedy married Catherine McCarthy daughter of William McCarthy on 26 July 1902 at St Sylvesters. Witnesses Michael Boggins and Alicia Doyle.
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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:41 BST (UK) »
There was another child born on 3 July 1902 - James - baptised on 7 July at St Sylvesters.

Wow, so there is! I can only assume given they had a son in 1912 named James Joseph (and the eldest sons all seem to have been named James in the family) that this little fella died at some point prior to 1912. I can see Ford Cemetery 1903/1908 entries have James Kennedy entries at age 1 and 6 respectively. Sadly no details on them like addresses.

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Did you see what I said about the burials at reply #24?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:49 BST (UK) »
The only GRO birth that fits for Daniel is in Q2 1882 in Liverpool. mmn McGready. 

The only RC baptism that fits is at St Albans, 28 May 1882 (born 18 May) son of James and Helen or Ellen nee McGrady. Sponsors John Lynch and Catherine Dempsey (that  Dempsey name keeps cropping )
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Re: Missing the obvious or not?
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:53 BST (UK) »
In the 1891 census there's a family that fits at 11 Broom Street, though James is shown as aged 16.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:79PW-V3Z
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« Reply #35 on: Thursday 11 October 18 12:54 BST (UK) »
GRO births KENNEDY with mms. McCARTHY  @ Liverpool

KENNEDY, William         
1897  JQ  Vol 08b  pg 28

KENNEDY, James        
1902  SQ   Vol 08b  pg 35   
 
KENNEDY, Christopher      
1907  DQ   Vol 08b  pg 49

KENNEDY, Daniel          
1911  SQ  Vol 08b  pg 75   
 
KENNEDY, Bridget   
1909  JQ  Vol  08b  pg 13   

KENNEDY, Elizabeth       
 1911  SQ  Vol 08b  pg 74

KENNEDY, Margaret
1913  DQ  Vol 08b  pg 65

KENNEDY, Peter
1913  DQ  Vol 08b  pg 64


Also -
KENNEDY, Ellen    mms. HESTON     
1905  JQ   Vol 08b  pg 8

KENNEDY, John     mms   HESTON     
1907  JQ  Vo 08b  pg

KENNEDY, Edward   mms   HESTON 
1909  DQ  Vol 08b pg 26