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Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:01 BST (UK) »
I am trying to trace the family of my Great Grandmother, Ellen Tobin, born around 1877 in St George, Middlesex. Her siblings are:

Margaret Tobin (b. 1860) Whitechapel/Ireland (census records are conflicting)
Honora Tobin (b. 1862) Whitechapel
Patrick Tobin (b. 1863) St George in the East
Alice Jane Tobin (b. 1872) St George in the East

I think her mothers name was Alice (possible Daly) from Ireland. Her father was Patrick Tobin from Ireland (based on her 1900 marriage bann). Patrick worked as a saddler in and around Whitechapel and Stepney.

I can't find a record of Ellen's baptism to confirm where in Ireland her parents are from though it may be Tipperary (based on family stories).  I would love to learn more about where Ellen's family came from as I know next to nothing.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated,

Loren

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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:19 BST (UK) »
From www.freebmd.org

Births June qtr 1862   
TOBIN    Honora         Whitechapel    1c   407or Ic 417 

Using https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp  shows mothers maiden name was Daly
 
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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:21 BST (UK) »
Marriages September qtr 1859   
 
Patrick Tobin/Alice Daly  St George in the East    1c   891   
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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole, the marriage information is very helpful. Do you know how I would go about getting a marriage certificate or finding more details that will enable me to confirm where Alice and Patrick come from?


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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:32 BST (UK) »
There must be another Tobin/Daly marriage as GRO maiden name search shows a Timothy Tobin mmn Daly born 1862 Kensington.  1858 marriage in Kensington for Michael Tobin/Mary Daly

The 1859 marriage cert will not give you their birthplaces and it's unlikely any baptismal records for the children will either.  It will give you their respective fathers names and occupations which may help but no guarantees

1871 census shows Patrick b 1841 and Alice 1842. 

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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:39 BST (UK) »
Do you have the 1871 entry?

Patrick Tobin 30 b Ireland - Harness maker
Alice  29 b Ireland
Margaret      10 b Ireland - 1881 entry shows her b Whitechapel
Honora  8 b Whitechapel
Patrick  7 b St George
Alice  1  b St George
RG10 Piece 531 Folio 45 Page 17
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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole, I'll look into the other marriages - perhaps they are siblings of Patrick and Alice.
Yes I have the 1871 census thanks. I'm unsure why Margaret is recorded as born in Ireland here? Assume this is an error.

I'm not sure how to try and find out where Alice Daly and Patrick Tobin are from in Ireland so I can go back further. Maybe checking out those other marriages will throw something up. Thank you for the instructions on requesting the marriage certificate.

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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:53 BST (UK) »
Your only hope is if Patrick and Alice were still alive when the 1911 was taken.  The 1911 gave more detailed info re: specific part of Ireland.

I can't find them in 1891 at the moment but nor can I find a death between 1881-1891
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Re: Seeking help to find parents of Ellen Tobin (born St George, about 1877)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 00:57 BST (UK) »
Just found them in 1891 indexed as Tobia - problem solved

Patrick Tobin    48 b CORK  Saddler
Alice   48 b Cork
Alice  21 b St George
Ellen  13 b St George
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RG12 Piece 285 Folio 9 Page 18
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