Bradley/Brodley - Campbeltown, Argyllshire - any help appreciated

[gennig]

Hi Everyone

My 2nd Great Grandmother Margaret Bradley/Brodley aged 18 came to Hobart, Tasmania along with sister Ann aged 16 and brother Charles aged 12 on board the "Sir Allan McNab" which departed from Liverpool on 28th Oct 1853
According to the Highland and Island Emigration Society they were orphans from the Parish of Saddell and Skipness.  Their residence was given as Lochmore Kintyre.

I have found the family living in Saddell Street, Campbeltown in 1841
(Surname has been transcribed as Brodley)
Anne  Aged 35 no occupation born Ireland 
Margart  Aged 6 Born Ireland (yes, the e was left out of her name)
John Aged 4 Born Ireland
Anne Aged 1 Born Scotland going on the shipping list she should be 3 or 4
Charles Aged 6 weeks Born Scotland

Anne Bradley appears to have married Archibald McAlister somewhere between 1841 & 1851Would Like to find this marriage to confirm

I have found the following 1851 census (Surname has been transcribed as McFlister but I'm sure it's McAlister)
13 High Street, Campbeltown
Arch Head 54 Tin Smith born: Down, Ireland
Ann Wife 45 Delf Dealer Born: Antrim Ireland
William 20 Farm Labourer Born: Campbeltown, Argyll
Margaret 18 Born Campbeltown, Argyll
Janet 16 Born Campbeltown, Argyll
Helen 11 Scholar Born Campbeltown, Argyll  The above children I believe are from Archibald's first marriage
Ann Brodley 9 Scholar Born: Campbeltown, Argyll  The age is out by fair bit
Charles B 8 Scholar Born: Campbeltown, Argyll
Arch 4 Scholar Born: Campbeltown, Argyll

I have not been able to work out what happened to John or Ann senior. 
So any help in this would be greatly appreciated.

I also cannot locate Margaret or John on the 1851 census, any adeas.

It would be great if I could find the Births/Baptisms of Anne & Charles.

All help appreciated greatly.

Cheers

Genni

[Elwyn Soutter]

Statutory death registration didn’t start in Scotland till 1855, so if the parents Arch & Ann died between 1851 and 1853 (as seems likely if their children were orphans by October 1853) then there may be no documentary record of their deaths. Not all churches kept burial records.

What denomination was this family? Could they have been RC, and if so, have you checked to see whether there are any surviving RC baptism or marriage records for that period in the Campbeltown area? There are lots of gaps in the church records. That might be why you can’t find the 2 children’s baptisms, or the marriage.

[ColC]

This is how the family transcription appears on (SP)  www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
This is where you can download the original records.

1851 – Campbeltown 507/ 1/ 3
MCFLISTER   MARGARET   18
MCFLISTER   JANET   16
MCFLISTER   ARCHIBALD   54
MCFLISTER   HELEN   11
MCFLISTER   ANN   45
MCFLISTER   WILLIAM   20

BRODLEGO   ARCHIBALD   4
BRODLEGO   ANN   9
BRODLEGO   CHARLES B     8

No Margaret or John in Argyll, others possible elsewhere in Scotland but not together.
No trace of them in England.

I can find no BMD records for the Bradley family, any denomination, on SP

Campbeltown parish death records on SP 1773 – 1854 (Birth & Marriage even earlier), However there is only 16 deaths recorded between 1837 & 1851, no Bradley or McAlister’s

Colin

[MonicaL]

Just some possible census entries to consider:

For Margaret in 1851 there is a Margaret Brodie:

Margaret Brodie, 17, house servant b. Derry Ireland
Address: Salt Pans, Campbeltown

For John in 1851:

John Broaday 15 errand boy b. Ireland
Address: Barbeegs, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire

And for 1861:

John Bradley 22 lodger, Inside Labourer b. C. Derry Ireland
Address: 136 Saltmarket, Glasgow/ Clyde

Monica

[gennig]

Hi

Thank you for your responses

Elwyn - The Ship manifest gives their religion as Church of England. 

Monica - I'll check them out and now that I have a possible County, I can check Ireland.

Regards

Genni

[Elwyn Soutter]

Elwyn - The Ship manifest gives their religion as Church of England. 

Genni

If the family was Church of England, when they lived in Scotland, then that’s Episcopalian.  The main church records on Scotlandspeople are Presbyterian (ie Church of Scotland) and Roman Catholic, with a few other church records, mainly secession Presbyterian churches.  But Campbeltown Episcopalian church may not be amongst them. (I don’t see it listed in the search options, so suspect the records are not on-line). You could try contacting the church to see what records they have.

http://www.argyll.anglican.org/churches/campbeltown/the-church-its-services/

[wivenhoe]

What do you have for marriages....when / where / who....and deaths for -

Margaret Bradley/Brodley aged 18
sister Ann aged 16
brother Charles aged 12

sometimes names they give their children can be a clue to their origins.

[gennig]

What do you have for marriages....when / where / who....and deaths for -

Margaret Bradley/Brodley aged 18
sister Ann aged 16
brother Charles aged 12

sometimes names they give their children can be a clue to their origins.

Hi wivenhoe

Margaret Bradley(death cert states father: John Bradley) married Samuel Carter (from Cornwall) They married in Tasmania and parents names weren't recorded- Their children were named as follows:-
Ann Maria   - (named after both mothers)
William Henry  (William was Samuel's Father -don't know where the Henry comes from)
Charles Rawle  (Samuel's sisters husband)
Lavinia Rawle (Samuel's sister who married Charles Rawle)
Margaret Jane
Bernard  (Samuel's Uncle)
Susan(Samuel's Sister)
Samuel
Mary Merrington  ( the middle name is Ann Maria's husband surname)
Alfred Ernest

Her sister Ann married Thomas Leigh Cave.  They also married in Tasmania and stayed there and parents weren't recorded on the DC. She was listed as Ann(e) on all the births but later was referred to as Ferdinan.   They had 12 children, the eldest son was named Arthur Alfred John Cave.

Charles Bradley never married and died in Victoria in 1919, parents listed as unknown.

regards

Genni

[wivenhoe]

Mercury 30 Oct 1905 p1
CAVE.-In loving remembrance of Thomas Leigh Cave, sen., who died October 11, 1900; also Thomas Leigh Cave, jun., who died, October 29, 1902. "Though lost to sight, to memory
dear." Inserted by the widow and mother, Ferdinan Cave and M. K. Cave, Constitution Hill.


Mercury 27 Dec 1910  p1
CAVE-On December 24, at Constitution Hill, Ferdinan, relict of the late Thomas Cave, in her 70th year, leaving five sons and five daughters to moarn their loss. Funeral will take place at Constitution Hill This Day (Tuesday), December 28, at 3 o'clock. friends respectfully invited.

Anne is not literate, so likely that her parents are also not literate. You would need to be flexible with family name, beyond BRODLEY / BRADLEY.......