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William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« on: Wednesday 24 October 18 02:52 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

I am trying to find William Williams on the 1841 & 1851 census.  I have the census for these years for his parents and other children but not him?

Any help appreciated
Nga mihi Bronwen Summers, ChCh, NZ

Mary Rubbathen wife of Thomas Williams, mother of William Williams
b.1798, June 3 baptism date Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng.
m.1821 June 14 Condover Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
d.1869 April 4 Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
Children ??
1826 Oct 22 Thomas Williams, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng.(Ag labourer) m.Mary, Owestry c: 1854-1935,Samuel (m. Charlotte L Harvey c 1856 to 1936, 1 son George T Williams 1877-1955), 1856 Edwin, 1860 Allice
1821 Oct 5 B.1822 Dec 22 Mary Williams
1829 Feb 15 Edward Williams, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng.
1830 John Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1831 John Williams
1833-1909 Hannah Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. m.James R(h)oden, b 1829, Shropshire, d.1912 Wolverhampton.  1851 census 18 a servant for Mary Wildig and family in Pride Street Hannah on 1901 census, 1911 census James is a Widower.
1836 Jan 3 Williams – male, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1836 William Williams, Acton Burnell, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.  m.1861 Sarah Ann Cooper, Christchurch, William died 1900 Sep 1, Ch.Ch., senile decay, burial 1900 Sep 4 Chch, Linwood cemetery, ChCh, Block 31A plot 142 Sarah died 1901 buried in same plot.  c.1865-1907 Isadore Maude Williams m.Thomas Herbert Raxworthy )  William Williams a labourer 44 years in NZ when he died (came to NZ in 1856)  He was 39 when he married in Christchrch,  Samuel Cecil Williams signed the death cert. lived in Linwood 6 daughters at his death, 13, 17, 19, 25, 36, 38 sons 26, 39, 21
1836 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire. Eng. (reg.) 1851 census house servant to the Deakin family in Berrington, 1871 living at Pitchford, m.William Beedle
1837 Thomas Williams,
1840 Eliz Williams
1841 Feb 21 Ann Williams, Cantlop, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
1842 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
Census
1841 Thomas 40 Ag. Lab., Mary 40, John 10, Hannah 8, Elizabeth 5, Anne 4 months, Cantlop, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.  (all born in Shropshire)   
1851 Thomas & Mary Williams house named Windy Mundy within the Pitchford Estate reg district Atcham, Ann 10 scholar, Eliz 8 scholar, Hannah 17 no occupation listed, John 20, farm labourer reg district Atcham
1861 Thomas & Mary Williams, Upper Cottage, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng. Ann living with her parents, listed as Agr. Labourer’s unmarried daughter
(Thomas Williams – farm labourer estate earl of Liverpool 
Farmer according to William Williams death cert)
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 03:00 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

Trying to find out what ship and any other details for William Williams who came from Shropshire to NZ about 1856.  His sister Ann (my GGrandmother) came to NZ in 1875 with her husband and one child and settled in Oxford.  I have no idea where he settled and wondered whether it was out there.

nga mihi
Bronwen Summers, ChCh. NZ

Mary Rubbathen wife of Thomas Williams, mother of Ann
b.1798, June 3 baptism date Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng.
m.1821 June 14 Condover Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
d.1869 April 4 Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
Children ??
1826 Oct 22 Thomas Williams, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng.(Ag labourer) m.Mary, Owestry c: 1854-1935,Samuel (m. Charlotte L Harvey c 1856 to 1936, 1 son George T Williams 1877-1955), 1856 Edwin, 1860 Allice
1821 Oct 5 B.1822 Dec 22 Mary Williams
1829 Feb 15 Edward Williams, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng.
1830 John Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1831 John Williams
1833-1909 Hannah Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. m.James R(h)oden, b 1829, Shropshire, d.1912 Wolverhampton.  1851 census 18 a servant for Mary Wildig and family in Pride Street Hannah on 1901 census, 1911 census James is a Widower.
1836 Jan 3 Williams – male, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1836 William Williams, Acton Burnell, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.  m.1861 Sarah Ann Cooper, Christchurch, William died 1900 Sep 1, Ch.Ch., senile decay, burial 1900 Sep 4 Chch, Linwood cemetery, ChCh, Block 31A plot 142 Sarah died 1901 buried in same plot.  c.1865-1907 Isadore Maude Williams m.Thomas Herbert Raxworthy )  William Williams a labourer 44 years in NZ when he died (came to NZ in 1856)  He was 39 when he married in Christchrch,  Samuel Cecil Williams signed the death cert. lived in Linwood 6 daughters at his death, 13, 17, 19, 25, 36, 38 sons 26, 39, 21
1836 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire. Eng. (reg.) 1851 census house servant to the Deakin family in Berrington, 1871 living at Pitchford, m.William Beedle
1837 Thomas Williams,
1840 Eliz Williams
1841 Feb 21 Ann Williams, Cantlop, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
1842 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
Census
1841 Thomas 40 Ag. Lab., Mary 40, John 10, Hannah 8, Elizabeth 5, Anne 4 months, Cantlop, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.  (all born in Shropshire)   
1851 Thomas & Mary Williams house named Windy Mundy within the Pitchford Estate reg district Atcham, Ann 10 scholar, Eliz 8 scholar, Hannah 17 no occupation listed, John 20, farm labourer reg district Atcham
1861 Thomas & Mary Williams, Upper Cottage, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng. Ann living with her parents, listed as Agr. Labourer’s unmarried daughter
(Thomas Williams – farm labourer estate earl of Liverpool 
Farmer according to William Williams death cert)
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 04:02 BST (UK) »
I’m confused, you seem to know all about him:

“William Williams a labourer 44 years in NZ when he died (came to NZ in 1856)  He was 39 when he married in Christchrch,  Samuel Cecil Williams signed the death cert. lived in Linwood 6 daughters at his death, 13, 17, 19, 25, 36, 38 sons 26, 39, 21”
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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 04:39 BST (UK) »
I don't know whether all of these children are from the family you are researching. [I note wife Sarah was actually Sarah Ann, according to her death notice]. You may get a lead on the ship by researching family members through "Papers Past".......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

Have you looked at Family Search?

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list?fcs=placeId%3A1927083&ec=region%3AAUSTRALIA_NEW_ZEALAND%2CplaceId%3A1927083

1887/17968   Williams   Audrey Evelyn Cooper   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1881/4658   Williams   Nellie May   Sarah Ann   William      

1876/14175   Williams   Thomas Arthur   Sarah Ann   William

1863/165   Williams   Thomas William   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1875/3935   Williams   Ann Hunter   Sarah Ann   William      

1880/10605   Williams   Ethel Marion   Sarah Ann   William

1878/23   Williams   William Horace   Sarah Ann   William

1883/7803   Williams   Aimee Frederica   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1873/18265   Williams   Alfred Francis   Sarah Ann   William      


1871/32902   Williams   Harold Herbert   Sarah Ann   William

1869/30787   Williams   Samuel Cecil   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1866/17334   Williams   NR   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1865/23490   Williams   Isidore Maude   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1866/20137   Williams   Charles Alfred   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1862/12620   Williams   Alice Mary   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1858/6893   Williams   NR   Sarah Ann   William   -   

1861/9738   Williams   NR   Sarah Ann   William      


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 05:29 BST (UK) »
Great many thanks for those leads.

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Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 05:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Jamjar

I am specifically trying to find out what ship he came on, whether he settled in Oxford and who his children were.

I don't have any of that information. Nor can I find him in the 41 and 51 census at all although I can find his sister Ann and other family members.

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Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 07:16 BST (UK) »
There is also this associated topic on the Shropshire board.....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802440.msg6603552#msg6603552


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 07:45 BST (UK) »
Do you have his death in NZ?

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 07:56 BST (UK) »
I’ve been looking at the male/female children as mentioned on your initial post.

Based on their ages, on his death certificate, I have come up with these living children, all with parents Sarah Ann and William. The only male born 1861 I can see has no christian name recorded.

Girls

1862 Alice May
1864 Isidore Maude
1875 Ann Hunter
1881 Nellie May
1883 Aimee Fredrica
1887 Audrey Evelyn Cooper

Boys

1861 not sure
1869 Samuel Cecil
1874 Alfred Francis
1879 William Horace

Only assumption, of course.

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams