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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 09:18 BST (UK) »
And I found this baptism
Name:   William Williams
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   5 Oct 1821
Baptism Place:   Acton Burnell,Shropshire,England
Father:   Thomas Williams
Mother:   Mary
FHL Film Number:   502910
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 09:26 BST (UK) »
Well done, Josey.  Bronwen seems 15 years out!

Have you found this one on the 1841-51 censuses?

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 09:36 BST (UK) »
Have looked but there are a lot of William Williams born ca 1821 in Shropshire in 1841; will try 1851.  But my knowledge of Shropshire geography is not good  ;D so don't know larger locations nearby Acton Burnell that William may have named as birthplace.

BTW I have a direct ancestor named William Williams [born Ireland] so I know what a nightmare it can be; who would have thought it was such a common name. 
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 09:45 BST (UK) »
Did find this:
HO107; Piece: 1991; Folio: 367; Page: 3;
William Williams   26 b Acton Burnell ag lab
Anne Williams   24
Edward Williams   4
William Williams   2
John Williams   2 Mo
but I think they occur in later censuses in Shropshire. Have to go out now to [Spanish class] but will 'call in' later.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 09:51 BST (UK) »

BTW I have a direct ancestor named William Williams [born Ireland] so I know what a nightmare it can be; who would have thought it was such a common name.

It's the ones born in Wales that are worst  ;D  I have some in Wales and, I think from memory , in Shropshire.

Hasta la vista (my Spanish is very rusty)
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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 10:15 BST (UK) »
Yes thanks I have his death
William died 1900 Sep 1, Ch.Ch., senile decay, burial 1900 Sep 4 Chch, Linwood cemetery,
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell emigrated 1856
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 10:32 BST (UK) »
And it looks as if he was born 1821 not 1836:

And I found this baptism
Name:   William Williams
Gender:   Male
Baptism Date:   5 Oct 1821
Baptism Place:   Acton Burnell,Shropshire,England
Father:   Thomas Williams
Mother:   Mary
FHL Film Number:   502910

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 10:44 BST (UK) »
Great thanks to everyone, perhaps now that one of you has given me the correct birth date then I might be able to find him... but looking on the 1841 census when he is in fact 20 or thereabouts will be much more difficult - no family to connect him with.

The places mentioned in terms of where they were all born in Shropshire are: Berrington, Cantlop, Acton Burnell, Pitchford.  I don't think the one Josey posted is correct, the names are not quite right.

I have several suggestions from people as to where to find him on the emigration list also and that great tribe of children he has.  I need to check them out 30 years of child bearing and one before they married.?

Many many thanks
Bronwen

Mary Rubbathen wife of Thomas Williams, mother of Ann
b.1798, June 3 baptism date Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng.
m.1821 June 14 Condover Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
d.1869 April 4 Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
Children 13
1826 Oct 22 Thomas Williams, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng.(Ag labourer) m.Mary, Owestry c: 1854-1935,Samuel (m. Charlotte L Harvey c 1856 to 1936, 1 son George T Williams 1877-1955), 1856 Edwin, 1860 Allice
1821 Oct 5 B.1822 Dec 22 Mary Williams
1821 Oct 5 William Williams Acton Burnell, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. 
1829 Feb 15 Edward Williams, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng.
1830 John Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1831 John Williams
1833-1909 Hannah Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. m.James R(h)oden, b 1829, Shropshire, d.1912 Wolverhampton.  1851 census 18 a servant for Mary Wildig and family in Pride Street Hannah on 1901 census, 1911 census James is a Widower.
1836 Jan 3 Williams male, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1836 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire. Eng. (reg.) 1851 census house servant to the Deakin family in Berrington, 1871 living at Pitchford, m.William Beedle
1837 Thomas Williams,
1840 Eliz Williams
1841 Feb 21 Ann Williams, Cantlop, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
1842 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)


Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: William Williams born 1836 Acton Burnell
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 11:27 BST (UK) »
1841 has this one- nearest I can see to Acton Burnell

In the household of Will Hughes 52 farmer

Willm Williams 20 M S born in County

Address is Longnor Green, Frodesley. This is only a couple of miles or so from Acton Burnell.

Re the 1851 census found by Josey I agree that it is the nearest fit. However the most likely marriage I can see is between a William Williams and Anne Humphries ( transcribed as Humphries but could easily be Humphreys in Rodington 9 Feb 1847 - William's father give as John,age as 21. Groindex  for children William and John would appear to confirm  mother's maiden name as Humphreys (think eldest child was born before marriage - baptism Rodington for Edward Humphreys mpther Anne in 1846).

So I think that this 1851 census can be ruled out.


This one is a further possibility

Address Chatwall, Cardington in the home of John Lowe Mylton

William Williams Unm. 30 Farm servant born Dayhouse, Shropshire. ( Mr Google suggests that there is a Dayhouse near Leebotwood but also that the name was commonly used in Shropshire).

William


William Williams

Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)