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Thomas Riwbathon Berriew, Powys 1725
« on: Wednesday 24 October 18 03:16 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

Starting again, I had the wrong details before!  I am not 100% sure but it looks like they moved to Edgton in Shropshire where the youngest were born. 

The story goes that Rubbathan was a Corporal in the regiment of Earl of Powys in Duke of Wellington’s army – frost bitten while on sentry duty and lost both legs.  Granted a pension – and worked at Powys castle...

Any help appreciated.

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Bronwen, Christchurch, NZ

Thomas Rubbathan/Rowbathon husband of Sarah James
b.1725 Oct 10 Berriew, Powys, Montgomeryshire, Wales
m.1761 June 22 Aberhafesb, Powys, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (I have a copy of the banns and the wedding registration document)

Sarah James wife of Thomas Rubbathan, mother of William Rubbathan
b.1734 Oct 27 Montogmery,
m.1761 June 22 Aberhafesb, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (copy of banns)
d.
Children 4
1760 Feb 22 William Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (listed as illegitimate) (reg.)
1762 Mar 20 Thomas Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1764 Feb, Ann Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1766 Apr 25 Sarah Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)   (a Sarah Rubbathan had a child out of wedlock 1798)
1768 Feb 17 Elizabeth Rubbathan, Edgton, Shropshire, Eng.
1769 June 3 Mary Rubbathan, Edgton, Shropshire. Eng.

Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: Thomas Riwbathon Berriew, Powys 1725
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 21:44 BST (UK) »
Arthur Wellesley was created Earl, then Marquess of Wellington in 1812, then first Duke of Wellington in 1814 so unlikely that Thomas served under Wellington.

Henry Arthur Herbert was made Earl of Powis in 1748
http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-POWY-HER-1674.html

The record of the marriage that you have is the parish marriage entry, not banns. They were married by Licence, so there would not have been Banns. Thomas is noted as a yeoman on the licence, original held at the National Library of Wales.

Elizabeth was buried 17 April 1768 in Edgton
Same parish
Sarah daughter of Thomas & Sarah was buried 28 Jan 1771
John son of Thomas & Sarah bp 28 March 1771
Another Sarah, infant, was buried 28 Oct 1770

Thomas & Sarah had another daughter called Sarah baptised 6 Feb 1773 in Bishop's Castle in Shropshire also a son Edward 24 June 1775.
In the same parish, Sarah Rubbathon was buried 7 July 1776 and Thomas Rubbathan was buried 26 Dec 1777 (note after entry says 'his wife buried July 1776')

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Riwbathon Berriew, Powys 1725
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 22:46 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

I see I spelt it wrong in the subject line it should be Rowbathon. 
Thanks for the details about the Earl of Powys.  I see there are a few different meanings for a yeoman, a land owner? 
See attached I thought these were the banns for them?

So just checking a few details, when you say 'same parish' does that refer to those below: Sarah, John and another Sarah?  Was Edward born in Bishop's castle?  Both parents were buried in Edgton?

Many thanks for all your help, nga mihi nui
Bronwen Ch.Ch. NZ

Thomas Rubbathan/Rowbathon husband of Sarah James
b.1725 Oct 10 Berriew, Powys, Montgomeryshire, Wales
m.1761 June 22 Aberhafesp, Powys, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (copy of banns & marriage certificate).
d.1777 Dec 26 Edgton?

Sarah James wife of Thomas Rubbathan, mother of William Rubbathan
b.1734 Oct 27 Montogmery,
m.1761 June 22 Aberhafesb, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (copy of banns & marriage cert)
d.1776 Jul 7 Edgton?
Children 10
1760 Feb 22 William Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (reg. listed as illegitimate)
1762 Mar 20 Thomas Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1764 Feb, Ann Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1766 Apr 25-1771 Jan 28 Sarah Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1768 Feb 17 Elizabeth Rubbathan, Edgton, Shropshire, Eng.
1769 June 3 Mary Rubbathan, Edgton, Shropshire. Eng.
1770 Oct 28 Sarah Rubbathan
1771 Mar 28 John Rubbathan
1773 Feb 6 Sarah Rubbathan Bishop’s Castle, Shropshire, Eng.
1775 June 24 Edward Rubbathan, Bishops Castle, Shropshire, Eng.
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
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Re: Thomas Riwbathon Berriew, Powys 1725
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 23:31 BST (UK) »
that's the marriage entry, the space for Banns is blank.

Yeoman might just refer to him not working for someone else, but for himself. Given their moves, it doesn't seem that he owned land.

It's Earl of Powis.

1768 -1771 family events were in Edgton.

Edward was baptised in Bishop's Castle, no mention of where he was born on the baptism entry. Both parents were buried in Bishop's Castle.

The county name in 1725 was Montgomeryshire. The name Powys was introduced in 1974 for a new county comprising Montgomeryshire, Radnorshire, part of Breconshire and a bit of Denbighshire. The name was taken from an earlier small principality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powys
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Thomas Riwbathon Berriew, Powys 1725
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 October 18 23:40 BST (UK) »
That is great thanks for all the clarification.

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Bronwen
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh