Unpicking children from different mothers - who was Mum no. 1? Gwyddelwern 1841

[teach3r]

Good afternoon and thank you for any help that can be given.

I have located my 4x great grandfather (Thomas Evans) in the 1841 census (attached) but noticed that his wife (Catherine) would only have been 12 when my 3x great grandfather (Hugh Evans) was born.  Because of this, I thought that maybe she was actually an older sister, but looking at the 1851 census (also attached) confirms that she was indeed Thomas's wife.

I am assuming that in the 1841 census both Thomas jnr and Hugh are from a previous marriage and that Elizabeth could be from the same previous marriage or from the new one to Catherine.

Just to muddy things a little further Thomas snr and Catherine have a son also called Thomas in the 1851 census.

Any help working out the following would be greatly appreciated:

When / where did Thomas snr and Catherine get married?
Who is the mother of Thomas jnr, Hugh and Elizabeth?

Edit 1:  I have attached a long shot at the marriage between Thomas and Catherine which would make Elizabeth their daughter and not wife no. 1.

Edit 2: I am wondering whether it is Elizabeth as wife no.1?  I have a Thomas baptised 26 March 1820 to Thomas Evans and Elizabeth in Corwen.  Also Hugh, baptised 30 June 1822 to Thomas Evans and Elizabeth in Corwen.  There is an Elizabeth born to Thomas Evans and "Ivans" (transcript error?) baptised 02 May 1830 in Corwen.
Thank you,

Nic

[rosie99]

The banns that you are showing were 1829 - Catherine was of Llanelidan, have you looked there for the marriage

You should remove those images as we are only allowed to post part images for deciphering

[rosie99]

Baptism at Gwyddelwern for a Thomas Evans bapt 14 March 1820 abode Llan Gwyddolwern - parents Thomas & Jane - fathers occ Farmer,

[rosie99]

Thomas married Jane Williams at Llandyrnog 22 February 1813 (by licence)

Children baptised Gwyddelwern -parents Thomas & Jane
Evan 25 Dec 1813
William 18 Jan 1816
Maria 12 Apr 1818
Jane 05 Mar 1823
Siwsana 03 Oct 1827

[rosie99]

For anyone looking at this census information

1841 - H0107/1428 bk15 f11 p14 - Gwyddelwern
Thomas Evans 51 occ Farmer
Catherine 31
Thomas 21
Hugh 19
Elizabeth 11
all born in County (Merionethshire)

1851
H0107/2509 f153 p15
Thomas 60
Catherine 39
Thomas 1 1/2 bn Gwyddelwern
plus servants

[teach3r]

Thank you so much Rosie - your help is very much appreciated!

[teach3r]

Hi Rosie,

As suggested, I have found the marriage between Thomas and Catherine in Llanelidan (I must remember to extend my searches to include Denbighshire as well as Merionethshire!).  The parish marriage shows that Thomas was a widower seeming to confirm that his first wife (Jane, from your research) had died.

Jane could be either be the one that was buried in Gwyddelwern on 09 june 1828 (Residence Llygadog) or the one buried 20 June 1827 (Residence Carwen)?


I have also found evidence of all the baptisms that you mentioned, however, I cannot find anything for Hugh, Elizabeth or Thomas jnr (1850ish).

Any further help would is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Nic