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Offline RJ137

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Re: brother and sister
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 25 October 18 16:17 BST (UK) »
Pearl J Hart married Catherine Fredenberg on 26 April 1921 in Manhattan

http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/

Her birth year and parents donít match:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24W4-RC1

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The parents' names match except for the mother's first name and I've seen a lot of Irish immigrants with fluctuating birth dates, so I wouldn't definitely rule it out. 

There is a widowed Katherine Fredenburg in New Haven, Connecticut in the 1920 census with daughter Kathleen, age 12.  In the 1930 census in Hamden, Connecticut, there are Pearl J., Catherine, Kathleen, and Katherine Hart.  Katherine A. Hart is widowed in the 1940 census in Hamden with Kathleen Doolittle and her family.

I agree this is them . Everything revovles around New Haven Ct.

Catherine and John Fredenburg were married in 1903.

Groom     Name            Bride      Name   Date Married   City Married
JOHN   FREDENBURG   CATHERINE  GOLDEN   1903-09-02   NEW HAVEN

http://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/marriage-records/

John died in 1918 or 1919, There are two for New Haven in time period.

FIRSTNAME   LASTNAME   DATE   CITY
JOHN   FREDENBURG   1918-12-25   NEW HAVEN
JOHN   FREDENBURG   1919-12-24   NEW HAVEN

http://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/death-records/

Catheine is listed as widowed in 1920 with daughter Kathleen

1920 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCNN-4N5

Catherine gets married to Pearrl Golden in 1921.

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24W4-RC1

In 1930 daughter Kathleen is listed last name Hart
1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XM5W-Y3V

Pearl died in 1938

FIRSTNAME   LASTNAME   DATE   CITY
PEARL   HART   1938-09-12   NEW HAVEN

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/161157210

Catherine is listed as widow in 1940. She is living with married daughter Kathleen

1940 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K715-QXK


Catherine dies in 1967. Her DOB is listed as 1879. Which is line line with what the OP gave.

CT Death Index: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VZL1-8BN


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Re: brother and sister
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 October 18 16:19 BST (UK) »
jamjar, i reckon the marriage you found of the pearl hart is them. i was told her mother was bridget but she could have been Elizabeth. in regards to peter i have no idea if he was married before he came to America.   

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Re: brother and sister
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 25 October 18 16:21 BST (UK) »
Well done all the responders; another rootschat success; OP's queries answered in a few hours!!
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: brother and sister
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 25 October 18 16:44 BST (UK) »
i wish to thank everyone for their help . i have been looking for Catherine for years and got no where. you people are excellent

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Re: brother and sister
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 25 October 18 16:54 BST (UK) »
RJ137,
Maybe you can clear up something for me . the Katherine hart that is 22 on the 1930 census is the daughter from the first marriage and the second Katherine hart that is 15, she is the adopted daughter. would you think that the person writing the census got them mixed up. and the 15 yr old Katherine who is know 25 . she is a cousin on the 1940 census.

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Re: brother and sister
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 25 October 18 16:58 BST (UK) »
could it be possible to find out more about john and arlene the two children  on the 1940 census 

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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 25 October 18 17:49 BST (UK) »
As they were both born in the 1930s they may well still be alive so we cannot discuss them on this public forum or mention their full names. If someone has knowledge of them they can send you a personal message.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 25 October 18 18:31 BST (UK) »
thank you Josey

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Re: brother and sister
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 25 October 18 19:07 BST (UK) »
jamjar, i reckon the marriage you found of the pearl hart is them. i was told her mother was bridget but she could have been Elizabeth. in regards to peter i have no idea if he was married before he came to America.


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