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Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« on: Thursday 25 October 18 20:40 BST (UK) »
Hello,

According to the 1871 Census of Canada (District of Cardwell, Ontario) a Richard BARNBY born 1837 in England was enumerated.  Unfortunately, I am unable to access these details.

My research for this particular gentleman reveals only that he was imprisoned between 1852-1859, having been sentenced at Beverley, Yorkshire, on 19/10/1852.  I can find no other BMD details under that name, except the reference to Canada.

I wonder if someone can help please?

Thank You

BAC3

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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 October 18 14:04 BST (UK) »
Hi,

In that census, he is with wife Margaret, age 26, b Ireland, daughter Jane age 3, and son Stephen
11 months both born Ontario.

Further up the page there is a Robert Barnby and family.

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4396686_00055.jpg

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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 October 18 14:43 BST (UK) »
Richard Barnby 17 Apr 1837 St Dennis , York , Stephen Barnby , wheelwright , and Jane

Ontario Marriages :

Richard " Barmerley " b England 1838, parents Stephen & Jane
Margaret More b Ireland 1845 , parents Charles & Jane
7 June 1868 Tecumseth , Peel, Ontario
no image available and I'm wondering if Barmerley is Barnby as in the York baptism .
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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 October 18 14:48 BST (UK) »
1841 England census

Stephen Barmby 40 wheelwright
Jane 35
Thomas 12
Robert 9
Henry 7
Joseph 6
Richard 4
Ann 1
Garton upon the Wolds , Yorkshire
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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 October 18 15:35 BST (UK) »
1881 Canada census as Bawby :

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVF5-FT9

lists children

Jane 13
Elizabeth 8
Susan 4
Mary 1

Death record for Susan Barmby , giving parents as Richard Barmby and Margaret Moore :

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JKVN-VGW

This seems to confirm the " Barmerley" marriage is correct.
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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 October 18 15:42 BST (UK) »
The 1901 Canada census has immigration year 1865 :

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mx0/





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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 October 18 15:51 BST (UK) »
This Richard Barnby appears to be on the 1851 and 1861 England census as a servant. It doesn't seem very likely that he would have gone to prison for 7 years and then found employment as a servant. Was your Richard actually transported ?
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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 October 18 16:09 BST (UK) »
Two of the entries in the Criminal Records refer to Richard Barnby , alias Michael Dalton, aged 15 and a factory worker. His father is named as Edward Dalton of Blackbank (?) , near Ives Factory , Leeds.
A further record gives his alias as Michael Dillon.
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Re: Ontario: Richard BARNBY, born 1837, East Yorkshire
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 October 18 16:20 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Thank you for all the information........BARNBY, BARMBY, BAWBY etc. tends to be a little confusing in my dotage ::)

However, first things first.    He was released from prison early on licence 29/11/1857 the Home Office having commuted his sentence to servitude from transportation but it was revoked on 04/12/1857 and he was returned to prison to complete the full 7 years.   The prison records are consistent in naming him BARNBY, whereas the Census returns offer BARMBY, although with the poor clerical facilities at the time the profile of him migrating to Canada, and being correctly called BARNBY in 1871, is very persuasive and which I am inclined to accept on the balance of probabilities.

Again thank you for all the information, for which I am extremely grateful in offering a possible solution.

For the moment, take care,

BAC3

PS:  I investigated the Michael DALTON/DILLON aspect and it appears to be something of a red herring