Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901

[majm]

   Welcome to RChat     

See Jamjar's posts for list of the births ...    


If you order the official transcription of the birth cert for youngest, you should get all the info about all the older siblings, plus info about both the parents (where born, then age, where married etc).

If you order the official transcription of the marriage that Jamjar found as well, then hopefully it will have information about not just the bride and groom, but also their origins, parents etc... It should also have notations showing it has been reconciled by NSW BDM with the church register/s as it was a marriage within the Sydney BDM district.  It is likely it is the marriage you are looking for, afterall the bride's surname is indexed as HANE which may well be a mis-read for HAM (or vice versa).


Official transcriptions:  (scroll down) ... already transcribed, by people familiar with the handwriting of the person recording it in the register
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-search.aspx

JM

[Jamjar]

Here is the funeral notice for Mary Ann Elizabeth Pope, last column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27900518

Marriage:

6023/1892 POPE Albert to SMITH Mary A E PADDINGTON

Jamjar

[Mira]

Hi Jamjar,
Thank you for your interest and comments. I have really struggles with George.
1. There is a Funeral Notice in Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Thursday 9 July 1903, page 10 for Mary Ann Smith that lists children: George W, Walter E, Charles F some married women and Florrie.
2. No idea why she is buried with the others as I haven't had time to look into it. I have to research in fits and starts and the cemetery info was gained from a trip to Sydney earlier this year.There are 7 Mary Ann(e) smiths in the Waverley Cemetery and the ages of death of all but the 1903 death don't fit her birth date for which I have the birth certificate.
3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.
4. Thanks for Maud's details. I've just looked up all the children's birth registrations and can see that initially the family was in Waterloo then moved to Paddington before Ethel was born so I'll follow up the addresses.
Kind regards,

[Mira]

I can't keep up! thanks both of you for the latest info.

I do have Florence's birth certificate (not just the transcript) and it says 4 females, 4 males and 1 female deceased ie 10 yet I now know that there were 11 children because I have just looked up birth cert numbers for all the children Jamjar and I have and I found 11.
Mary Ann 1255/1874
George W 5618/1875
Walter Ernest 6517/1878
Charles Francis 7415/1880
Olive May  8973/1882
Ethel Beatrice  9275/1884
Maud  7877/1885
Ruby Emily  9672/1886
Sydney John  13059/1889
Mabel Dorothy  27829/1892
Florence Glencora 15604/1895.

The family were very creative about names compared to the others I am researching.

[Jamjar]

Here is her death certificate:

11201/1903 SMITH  MARY A PADDINGTON it is 8 July 1903

She will be the one buried with George Frank and her daughters.

I have the SAG cemetery inscription disc. They don’t have photos, but if a name is on it, there was a headstone. I think it was created in the 80s so highly like some headstones will no longer be readable.

If you have others buried there, or at Rookwood, I can have a look see if they are there.

The funeral notice mentioning children’s names:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14534804

Jamjar

[Mira]

There is definitely no headstone at all at the location given by the iCemetery app now. I looked earlier this year.

Thanks for the offer about looking up others' graves. I have found and visited the graves of almost everyone of my direct ancestors except for George and Elizabeth Barnes  and William Partridge (maybe died 1843)and Margaret Stafford (died about 1840) all of whose death certificates I can't find so I don't even know yet where to look.
cheers

[Dundee]

1874 Mary Ann E
1875 George W
1876 Rose Emily
1878 Walter Ernest
1880 Charles Francis
1882 Olive Lilly M
1884 Ethel B J
1885 Maud
1887 Ruby E A
1889 Sydney J
1892 Mabel D P died 1893
1895 Florence G R

Is this the Rose Emily referred to?

SMITH, ROSE EMILY
19193/1876
GEORGE FRANCIS
MARY JANE
QUEANBEYAN

Rose Emily SMITH born Queanbeyan married in 1896 and said her father was George Francis SMITH, a deceased carpenter, and mother was Mary ALLEN.

Debra 

[Jamjar]

The daughters mentioned in Mary’s funeral notice:

6023/1892 POPE ALBERT to SMITH MARY A E PADDINGTON
9867/1947 POPE MARY ANN ELIZABETH parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN MARRICKVILLE
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18028238

9411/1900 JAMES Robert to SMITH Olive L H
35395/1963 JAMES Olive Lily M parents  GEORGE and MARY ANN NEWTOWN
Notice: JAMES Olive Lily May Death notice 10-11-1963 Death late of Sydney Sydney Morning Herald 11-11-1963   

7313/1901 SHEDDEN William to SMITH Ethel B G PADDINGTON
16017/1959 SHEDDEN Ethel Beatrice parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN NORTH SYDNEY
Death and funeral notices, first page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19590423&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

10982/1906 BAMFORD Francis to SMITH Ruby E A REDFERN
3190/1927 BAMFORD Ruby E A parents GEORGE F and MARY PADDINGTON
Funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16350439

2767/1917 LANSDOWNE William W to SMITH Florence G R PADDINGTON
276/1946 LANSDOWNE Florence Glenora Rose GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN SYDNEY
Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17970940

Rose Emily eludes me, but as she isn’t mentioned in the 1903 notice it’s likely she was deceased. Still could have died under a married name, though. As you say they were creative with names, so I’m thinking Maud may belong to the other George Francis and Mary Ann.

[Jamjar]

1874 Mary Ann E
1875 George W
1876 Rose Emily
1878 Walter Ernest
1880 Charles Francis
1882 Olive Lilly M
1884 Ethel B J
1885 Maud
1887 Ruby E A
1889 Sydney J
1892 Mabel D P died 1893
1895 Florence G R

Is this the Rose Emily referred to?

SMITH, ROSE EMILY
19193/1876
GEORGE FRANCIS
MARY JANE
QUEANBEYAN

Rose Emily SMITH born Queanbeyan married in 1896 and said her father was George Francis SMITH, a deceased carpenter, and mother was Mary ALLEN.

Debra 

Yes, my error. I thought I’d filtered out all the Queanbeyan ones.

So, then it looks like Maud is theirs.

Oops, maybe not. 5 girls married.

“I do have Florence's birth certificate (not just the transcript) and it says 4 females, 4 males and 1 female deceased.”

Jamjar