Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901

[Dundee]

I do have Florence's birth certificate (not just the transcript) and it says 4 females, 4 males and 1 female deceased ie 10 yet I now know that there were 11 children

Mabel born 1891 and died 1893 is probably the deceased female and Maud may have only lived briefly and not counted, though there is no death reg.  She was not baptised at St Matthias, as were the other children born between 1884 and 1895.

Debra 

[Jamjar]

The lads, only 2 a certainty:

15895/1949 SMITH Walter Ernest parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN PADDINGTON

Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18135909

His first wife’s death: 13457/1925 SMITH ALICE M parents TOM and JESSIE WAVERLEY

In Memoriam for Alice Maud: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16315546

His second wife’s death: 16515/1954 SMITH Ada Lucy parents FRANK and MARY JANE SYDNEY


13588/1956 SMITH Sydney John parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN GLOUCESTER

Jamjar

[sparrett]

Having read the concurrent thread on the English board in the search for George Francis/Richard SMITH and noting on the certificate of marriage provided by Debra, that the man's occupation was mariner,
I will add this as a thought.

People often named children after ships of arrival to  a new country.

Arriving Sydney March 29th 1873, the GLENCORA.
Departed Glasgow 4th December 1873.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162656053

The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser
Shipping gazette

http://marinersandships.com.au/1873/03/080gle.htm

Unfortunately I do not see the name George SMITH as a crew member and only one passenger is mentioned.

However, worth considering that George possibly arrived as crew rather than passenger on some ship or other from Scotland.

Sue

 

[solidrock]

That's a good theory sparrett, there are 2 George Smith's born in London in the 1861 census...

George Smith, b 1843 London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09 4466 / 62

George Smith, b 1844 Poplar, London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09  4447 / 68

[solidrock]

This maybe the George Smith,  Poplar...

SMITH, GEORGE        mmn   NOKES      
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 02  Page 318

[sparrett]

That's a good theory sparrett, there are 2 George Smith's born in London in the 1861 census...

George Smith, b 1843 London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09 4466 / 62

George Smith, b 1844 Poplar, London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09  4447 / 68

Hi,
Problem is the marriage certificate provided by Debra on the other thread, clearly says born in Glasgow.EDIT Scotland

Father George Francis SMITH, mother Sarah nee BRADLEY

Sue

[solidrock]

I was going by the death that says he was born in London. There are dozens of George Smith's born in Scotland for the given date's only 1 with the given names in reverse order...

SMITH, FRANCIS GEORGE. DAVID SMITH/MARY ROGERSON FR265 (FR265). 16/02/1840
853/A  20 23   Wamphrey.
   

   

   

   

   

   

   

[Jamjar]

There are quite a few mentions of the Glencora on Trove, that are not on the Mariners site.

He could have arrived on another ship and then signed on to the Glencora to do Australian coastal runs. Given the almost yearly births of his children, he wasn’t straying very far.

Also, as he married at age 30, there is always the chance he was married overseas, abandoned family, and gave false details on marriage cert here. 

Jamjar

[maddys52]

3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.

Apologies if this has already been posted, but there is a photograph of the headstone here:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190888903

It does say that the older headstone (George's) is too weathered to read.