james mills

[no1gall]

hi i have hit a brick wall .My gr grandfather was james mills born 3rd June 1884 (according to 1939 register) he married harriet Stokes in 1906 and his father was also james. I have found a james in 1891 census that could be him but cant find  find his birth any help would be much appreciated Lynne

[PaulineJ]

What address did he wed from?
What occupation did he have?
Occupation for father?
What names witness?

What birthplace in 1911?
What birthplace in other census?

All clues need to be looked at with a common name.

[keyboard86]

HI and welcome to Rootschat, is this him in 1911?

James Mills 26 b Wallsend
Harriet 26
James G 4
William H 3
Harriet E 2
Amelia Stokes 17 Visitor b Gateshead
Residing Wallsend
Keyboard86

[no1gall]

hi thanks for speedy reply yes thats him cant find him in census only one that could be him is 1891 census and states he was born newcastle Ive checked and cant find him

[keyboard86]

Hi again, what was the occupation of his father, who were the witnesses?
Keyboard86

[no1gall]

hi his  fathers occupation was shipyard labourer as was his father-in laws his occupation is stated as showman .his address is  patterson court and harriets is burnaby street both  newcastle  and witnesses  were  w stokes and a moore . they married in register office newcastle

[keyboard86]

Hi again, I am presuming this is the James you located in 1891?

James Mills 30 occ Shipyard Labourer
Annie 28
Annie 8
James 5
Residing at Stepney Road, Newcastle on Tyne
Census ref RG12/4213/107/22
Keyboard86

[no1gall]

yes thats the family cant find his birth though  been trying for years

[Jomot]

A James Mills married in 1889 in Newcastle, and on the same age is an Ann Wheaton.  These could be her children per the 1891 census, both with no mother’s maiden name, indicating illegitimacy:

WHEATON, ANN GRO Ref: 1883  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 118
WHEATON, JAMES GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 117

It would seem that at least two more children were born after the marriage;
MILLS, THOMAS  mmn WHEATON  GRO Ref: 1891  S Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 172
MILLS, MARGARET WILSON mmn WHEATON GRO Ref: 1894  D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 150

Margaret is with James in 1911 living with other family members, including her grandmother:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM8-4WQ EDITED - ignore, age is wrong. Margaret Wilson Mills death registered 1896.


It looks like Annie may have been admitted to the Newcastle Lunatic Asylum on 11 Jul 1898 & died there 7 Dec 1945.  She appears in 1901 as A Mills 38 born London & is present there on the 1939 register.