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Offline oldohiohome

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #63 on: Friday 02 November 18 22:54 GMT (UK) »
And finally,

This is still a long shot, but here is a John Mulholland - Mary McCormick couple with a child being baptized. I didn't find any for this couple from January 1848 down to this son in August 1852, and I haven't yet looked later than this.
Magherafelt Parish, Co. Londonderry, Catholic Baptism Register

August 15, 1852

Baptized Joannem Mulholland filium Joannis et Maria McCormick
witnesses maybe Hugo Bateson and Sarah Malone
marginal note: A Horish [ might be the priest's name. a different name occurred regularly in the margin. Too bad, sometimes they record the townland in the margin]


I looked for other baptisms for this couple from January 1847 to December 1856, and that is the only one I found. Maybe they moved soon after this child's birth.
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 03 November 18 11:19 GMT (UK) »
A few things I found this evening:
At familysearch I found these, but I couldn't find them at Scotland's People, so I don't know what the image says:

Patrick Mulholland
Scotland Census, 1881
Name:   Patrick Mulholland
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1881
Gender:   Male
Age:   30
Registration District:   Dennistoun
County:   Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated):   1851

Bridget Mulholland
Scotland Census, 1881
Name:   Bridget Mulholland
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1881
Gender:   Female
Age:   29
Registration District:   Dennistoun
County:   Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated):   1852

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These are correct.

I have a copy of these.


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This is the only marriage of Bridget Henderson's siblings that I found in Irvingstown Registration District.
Catherine then ends up in the same part of Glasgow as Bridget:

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- Catherine Henderson (1 June 1846 - )
    + Charles Moran
      md November 13, 1874, Irvinestown
      RC Chapel Whitehill
      she: of Drumduff
      witnesses: Thos Connelly, Francis Irvine
      https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11253/8126806.pdf

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Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:   Mary Catherine Moran
Gender:   Female
Birth Date:   22 May 1881
Birthplace:   Dennistoun, Lanark, Scotland
Father's Name:   Charles Moran
Mother's Name:   Catherine Henderson

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXC-Y89

I didn't look for them on the censuses.

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And I didn't find any deaths for Bridget's siblings in Irvingstown either, so they must have all left  except Sarah, or lived past 1922. The son John could have married elsewhere as well - in his bride's parish.

Thanks mate this is brilliant.

Today I am catching up on adding lots of info on to my FTM and tomorrow s a trp to see m lads at Uni as it's his 21st Birthday on Monday.

The English, Scots and Irish families are keeping me on my toes LOL
Hugkulstone: All
Stogdon, Preedy, Harris, Jenkins, Thaler, Vail, Brown (Whitby), Browne (Sussex), Infield, Feldwick, Knowles, Dodman, Nicholls, Anderson, Dell, Brooker, Purvey, Gibb, Cox. Wifes Side:Burningham, Hill, Sanger, Morrison, Mulholland, Legg, Lake, Ewence, Gurd, Bowden.
And Whitby Town Players.

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #65 on: Monday 05 November 18 00:12 GMT (UK) »
Over the weekend I found some Mulholland information and it should give you a
general location for where Patrick Mulholland was from in Ireland.

This is the tree on familysearch that said that Patrick had a brother named
Joseph:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/family/9DVN-4YR

I messaged the lady that is working on that tree and she said that in 1901,
Bridget Mulholland, a widow, had in her household a niece named Charlotte
Mulholland. Charlotte is the daughter of Joseph Mulholland and Charlotte Boon,
found in Glasgow in 1881:

1881
Source :FHL Film 0203640 GRO Ref Volume 644-3 EnumDist 62 Page 2
Reference Number :561749
Census Place :Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Dwelling 33, Middleton
Joseph Mullholland, 36, born in Ireland, general laborer
Charlotte Mullholland, 36, born in Ireland
John Mullholland, 15, born in Ireland, pottery laborer
Martha Mullholland, 11, born in Ireland
Mary Mullholland, 5, born in Glasgow
Charlotte Mullholland, 3, born in Glasgow
Joseph Mullholland, 2m, born in Glasgow

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With help from her tree:
Joseph and Charlotte were married in Ireland, in Magherafelt Registration
District, September 8, 1864:

Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898
Name:   Joseph Mulholland
Birth Date:   1843
Age:   21
Spouse's Name:   Charlotte Ann Boon
Spouse's Birth Date:   1843
Spouse's Age:   21
Event Date:   08 Sep 1864
Event Place:   Magherafelt, Derry, Ireland
Father's Name:   John Mulholland
Spouse's Father's Name:   Samuel Boon
Marital Status:   Single
Spouse's Marital Status:   Single

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8P-3L7

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The image of the civil Registration of their marriage is not online yet, but I
found their marriage in the parish register:

Magherafelt Parish register
September 8, 1864
from Latin:
Joined in marriage in the parish church of Magherafelt, Joseph Mulholland of
Ballynagarve and Charlotte Anna Coon of Leckagh
witnesses: John Moonhull? and Rachael Lees, of Magherafelt

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632615#page/150/mode/1up

Ballynagarve is in Artrea Civil Parish, Ardtrea and Desertlin Catholic Parish,
and is just east of Magherafelt town, NE of the B160 road

If Joseph was from Ballynagarve when he married in 1864, then Patrick couldn't
have been from too far away from there.

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Joseph and Charlotte had a few children born in Ireland:
Joseph was a weaver of Leckagh Townland, Magherafelt, in 1866 when his son
John was born on April 21, 1866.
Son Joseph was born also in Leckagh 16 May 1868. Tree at familysearch says he
died in Dennistoun, Glasgow, in 1881.
Daughter Martha (Matty Ann) was born August 28, 1870, Kilfaddy townland, and
Joseph was a farmer at the time.

Images of the births are in the Civil Registrations at
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

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I found three baptisms in Magherafelt Catholic Parish that might be siblings
of Patrick and Joseph:

April 23, 1843
James Mulholland son of John and Mary Mulholland [no maiden name given].
witnesses Paul McGuigan and Catherine Cassidy [no townland listed]

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/31/mode/1up

June 6, 1844
Baptized Elianor Mulhold [sic] daughter of John and Mary McCormick, witnesses
Hugo Walls and Elianor McGuckin
margin: Ballymaguigan/Ballymaquigan

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/35/mode/1up

Note: Ballymaguigan is in Artrea Civil Parish, Artrea Catholic Parish,
It is ESE of Magherafelt, straddles B18, and borders Ballynagarve

(got help here trying to read Ballymaguigan:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=803019.0)

August 15, 1852
Baptized Joannem Mulholland filium Joannis et Maria McCormick
witnesse maybe Hugo Bateson and Sarah Malone
marginal note: A Horish

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/59/mode/1up

Note, my best guess for the location is Anahorish, The Creagh townland,
Artrea Civil Parish, between Magherafelt and Toome, but much closer to Toome.
[Anahorish is the home of poet Seamus Heaney]

If those are Patrick's parents, then they moved around a bit. Maybe Patrick and
Joseph were baptized somewhere nearby, but in a different parish.

So Patrick Mulholland was probably from the area of Ballynagarve and
Ballymaguigan, Co. Derry.
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #66 on: Wednesday 07 November 18 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Sorry for the late reply OldOhioHome.

That's a lot to digest. Thank you very much.

I have printed it off this morning and I'll be reading through the whole thread making my usual notes.

Watch this space ;)
Hugkulstone: All
Stogdon, Preedy, Harris, Jenkins, Thaler, Vail, Brown (Whitby), Browne (Sussex), Infield, Feldwick, Knowles, Dodman, Nicholls, Anderson, Dell, Brooker, Purvey, Gibb, Cox. Wifes Side:Burningham, Hill, Sanger, Morrison, Mulholland, Legg, Lake, Ewence, Gurd, Bowden.
And Whitby Town Players.