Parents of John Elias Carter

[JDB307]

That should read (extreme right on original).

Henry Clarke died 1889 amd was buried on 20 March.

Jack

[JDB307]

Having spent more time than I should have in the Archives I decided to do a search on the GRO index for all John Carters born 1882-1886. None of them fitted. I then wrote to the GRO, asking if his birth might not have been registered. They replied that they would do a three-year search (costing £9.25) but I would have to give them the full name, which I can; the age, which I can; and the place where he was born, of which, in a way, I was asking them.

My next move is back to the archives to scan through the index of wills for John Elias' near relations. After that it will be the newspapers. I am not very hopeful about this and will probably have to accept that his birth/baptism went unrecorded.

So, thanks to all of you who tried to help but this looks like a dead end.

Kind regards,

Jack

[Jamiel42]

Hello, I think I can answer tis very old thread. John Elias Carter was not his birth name. He was registered as Ellis Carter, born in Scredington and his parents were Robert and Elizabeth Carter. We think they called him John after his elder brother who died in 1905 even though he was officially Ellis. He and three of his brothers all were killed in WW1 and are commemorated on the Scredington war memorial.

Robert Carter, b 1847 Scredington married Elizabeth Culpin Kirk, b 1857 Scredington.
Children:-
William Carter b 1878, possibly died 1968 in Lincoln (Un-researched)
John Carter b 1879, d 1905 9 months after finishing service with Lincs Regiment
James Carter b 1881, d 1914, serving with 1st Lincolns
Walter Carter b 1883, d 1898
Ellis Carter b 1885, d 1919 (this is John Elias Carter MM, 1st Lincs then 6th Lincs died Whittington barracks). married Charlotte Ann Clarke, son Desmond b 1916.
Ernest Carter b 1886, d 1917 serving with 1st Northumberland Fusiliers
Joseph Barnsdale Carter b 1889, d 1890
Samuel Carter b 1892, d 1917 serving with 2/5th Lincs
Mable Carter b 1895, d 1895
There is a 10th child mentioned on the 1911 census but as of yet not found in any records as of yet.

I hope this clears up the parents of John Elias Carter.

Open to any questions but realise that this is an old thread found when researching the 4 brothers on the Scredington War memorial for Samuel's Gt Grandson.

Kind Regards
Jamie

[jonw65]

Wonder why he said his father was Richard, and not Robert.

John Elias Carter, 27, married Charlotte Ann Clarke, 33, in the register office in Holbeach, Lincolnshire on 25 Feb 1911  It names his father as Richard Carter, ag lab and her father as Henry Clarke, ag lab (deceased).

[jonw65]

Well done for finding John Elias Carter for Jack.

[Jamiel42]

The main clues were a newspaper clipping and two pension record.

Sleaford Gazette 29th March 1919
SCREDINGTON
Soldier's Death - We regret to record the death of Ellis Carter, at Whittington Barracks, the son of Mrs Carter, of this village. The gallant lad had served his country three years, during which he was both wounded and gassed. We understand he was the forth son Mrs Carter has lost in the war, only one now surviving. He leaves a widow to mourn his loss.

Pension record 1 - Widow's Pension 7/WW/1441
Carter John Elias 2234, Lincoln Regiment, Pte
Widow Charlotte A, Rectory Road Tydd St Mary, Wisbech

Pension Record 2 - Dependant's Pension 7/DP/1020
Carter (1) John Elias 2234 Lincolns Pte
Carter (2) Ernest 34479 North'd Fus Pte
Name of dependant Mrs Elizabeth Carter, Scredington, Folkingham, Lincs

There lie the pieces of the jigsaw.

GRO Births Q1 1885 - Elliss Carter Sleaford 7a 487 (mis-transcribed on Ancestry as Ellise)

[JDB307]

Jamie,
Thank you so very much for breaking down this brick wall. I really am most grateful. It has been a long, frustrating hunt. Your two recent posts will go a long way toward helping me finally develop this tree.

You say that you are researching the 4 brothers on the Scredington War memorial for Samuel's Gt Grandson. Somewhat coincidentally, I am researching the family of John Elias/Elliss Carter for a friend who is his Grandson. Do you think it would be a good idea to put the two cousins in touch with each other? If so, and if he agrees, perhaps you could pass the Gt Grandson's contact details to me by private message and I will pass them on to my friend.

We live in a Lincolnshire village and we could visit Scredington which is less than 30 minutes away.

Thanks again and kind regards,
Jack