Brick wall: Help finding 3 baptisms (1822, 1830, 1850) & a Funeral (1828) please

[Gadget]

I do have a Thomas Evans who died 22 Nov 1861 at Llygadog proved by the oaths of Thomas, Maria and Susan (could this be Siwsana?).  Could this imply that they are all one and the same?

Was he the one buried Gwyddelwern 26 Nov 1861, aged 82, of Groesllwyd?

On a modern  property link, Groesllwyd seems to be in the same area as Llygadog.

[Gadget]

Check out Groes Llwyd, Corwen on the 1851

H0107/2509/310/1

Thomas is down as a Widower, farmer, aged 71, b. Gwyddelwern, with children Thomas, 30, Mariah, 32,  and Susan, 23.

This suggests that there were two families. This one would appear to be the one with wife/mother Jane.

Gadget

[Gadget]

Check out Groes Llwyd, Corwen on the 1851

H0107/2509/310/1

Thomas is down as a Widower, farmer, aged 71,  with children Thomas, 30, Mariah, 32,  and Susan, 23. All born Gwyddelwern.

This suggests that there were two families. This one would appear to be the one with wife/mother Jane.

Gadget


Added - duplicate post. I intended to Modify to include all born Gwyddelwern. I must have hit reply rather than modify!

[Gadget]

Also there in 1861

RG09/4311/37/8

Thomas is down as a widower, farmer of 94 acres, aged 81, b. Gwyddelwern, with children Thomas, 40, and Mariah, 43

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[Gadget]

So...............  we really need to find out who your Hugh's mother was, as it doesn't look as if it was Jane.

[Gadget]

Possible birth of a Hugh Evans, 30 June 1822, Corwen.

Parents - Thomas and Elizabeth of Tre'r ddol. Thomas a labourer.

I see that you mention this in your earlier thread:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802465.msg6603838#msg6603838


Gadget

[teach3r]

Possible birth of a Hugh Evans, 30 June 1822, Corwen.

Parents - Thomas and Elizabeth of Tre'r ddol. Thomas a labourer.

I see that you mention this in your earlier thread:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802465.msg6603838#msg6603838


Gadget

As you suggest, I need to focus on this family as the Thomas-Jane and Thomas-Catherine marriages / families appear to be red herrings.

From the previous thread and updated - they now all match what one would expect from the 1841 census.

Thomas baptised 26 March 1820 to Thomas Evans and Elizabeth in Penycoed, Corwen (Labourer)
Hugh, baptised 30 June 1822 to Thomas Evans and Elizabeth in Tre'r ddol, Corwen (labourer). 
Elizabeth, baptised 2nd May 1830 to Thomas Evans and Elizabeth in Tre'r ddol, Corwen (Labourer)

There is a marriage between Thomas Evans and Elizabeth Wynne in Corwen on 11th October 1815 (both of Corwen parish).

There is a burial for Elizabeth Evans in Corwen for 3rd December 1835 aged 47 (b. 1788).  Her abode is Hafodty Boeth which also matches the 1841 census.

As you have seen, Hugh married Elizabeth Edwards in Gwyddelwern on 14th January 1843 whilst living at Votty Boeth.

Looking at this, does this mean that I have Thomas, his first wife (d.1835) and their children as shown on the 1841 census?  Certainly looks promising!

1841 - H0107/1428 bk15 f11 p14 - Gwyddelwern
Thomas Evans 51 occ Farmer (d. Thomas Evans late of Hafotty Boeth who died 16 April 1866.)
Catherine 31
Thomas 21
Hugh 19
Elizabeth 11
all born in County (Merionethshire)

However, the dates also cause a problem for the potential marriage in Llanelidan that I had for Thomas and Catherine as this can't have happened in 1829 as Elizabeth snr was still alive and Thomas was therefore not a widower yet!

So looking at the 1851 census I am still missing Thomas and Catherine's wedding (between 1835 and 1840) and their Thomas's baptism (abt. 1850).

1851
H0107/2509 f153 p15
Thomas 60
Catherine 39
Thomas 1 1/2 bn Gwyddelwern
plus servants

Getting closer to solving this one but the search continues ........

[Gadget]

That's more or less my views of things. 

Catherine might have been non-conformist as I couldn't find a baptism for Thomas (b.c. 1849).  I did look at the GRO for a birth reg (see previous posting). There were 3 in the Corwen RD that might fit - mothers maiden surnames were  Hughes or Williams. These might be different ones though but it's a start. Also, bear in mind that she might have been a widow so any marriage would show a her previous married surname 

Also, it is possible that they didn't marry. Catherine might have been a servant originally, maybe employed to take care of young Elizabeth and house duties,  and the relationship became closer.

Gadget

[Gadget]

PS - have you got Catherine in the later censuses, after Thomas died?

Gadget

Add- I see she's not with them in 1861 but Thomas is down as married not widowed. Oh for Scottish certificates!