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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #9 on: Monday 05 November 18 11:10 GMT (UK) »

Re. "Anne ninAndrew" Could it be nicAndrew? Nic would be daughter would it not?
'Nic' would be 'daughter of'.
I think 'nin' is probably from a word similar to 'iníon' in Irish, which means daughter.
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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #10 on: Monday 05 November 18 22:37 GMT (UK) »
The Lord Lovat of the time apparently encouraged new tenants who took the name Fraser in return for a quantity of meal, "Frasers of the boll of meal!" Could be Simon the 11th Lord Lovat?

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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 November 18 00:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Skoosh
This is excellent information.  Thank you very much for this. 
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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 17 November 18 09:08 GMT (UK) »
FWIW this is how I read it, though I am not 100% sure of some bits

Original
At Kilmorack Apr 3 1705
John McEan vic Ean duie vic Conil vic Reary
…. his son called Rory to be baptized
Godfathers Alexr McFergh vic Ean duie
& John McEan vic Eandair vic Conil
vic Eachann

Translation
At Kilmorack Apr 3 1705
John son of dark John son of Connel son of Rory
…. his son called Rory to be baptised
Godfathers Alexander son of ?Fergus son of dark John
and John son of John son of ?Andrew son of Connel son of Hugh

So it seems to contain a 3-generation paternal line of the father and both godfathers, depending on whether you think the names beginning with 'Mc' are surnames as we would understand them these days, or merely the first stage in the paternal line. If the same people later used the surname Fraser it suggests the latter interpretation; in which case the surname was never actually McEan, because they didn't customarily use what we would recognise as surnames.

And yes, nic is the feminine equivalent of mac, so Anna nic Ean would be Anne daughter of John.
Nigheann, pronounced roughly nee-an, is the Scots Gaelic for girl or daughter.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 18 November 18 21:40 GMT (UK) »
Folks,  Conil = Donald & Eachann = Hector.

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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 November 18 22:06 GMT (UK) »
Of course Eachan is Hector. Hugh is Uisdean. Slip of the brain, for which I apologise.

I didn't know that Conil is the equivalent of Donald - thought Donald was Domhnull. How does that work?
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #15 on: Monday 19 November 18 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Forfarian,  aspirated it sounds like machkonal or neechkonal, so a nasal conal. U need a feed of salt herring to do it justice really!  ;D

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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #16 on: Monday 19 November 18 15:44 GMT (UK) »
If it needs salt herring I think I'll pass on it :)
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Fraser or vicEan duie vicConil vicRoy
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 09:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Forfarian
Thank you VERY much for completing the translation for me.  I had no idea what it was until your email. Very, very helpful.
PS - I definitely DO NOT like salt herrings.
Thanks and best wishes
Chris