gaps in census records?

[simonhogg]

I've been trying to trace my maternal grandfather (Walter Herbert Halsall 26/01/1898-22/07/1947 born and died in Douglas). I can find him, along with the rest of his family, his father has the same name, on the 1911 census, but not the 1901 or details of his father on any other census record.

I know that records may have been lost, they may have been overseas or any other number of reasons.

Has anyone else found a gap in census records for the island for the other census records?

Thanks

Simon

[CaroleW]

There is a Herbert Halsal aged 2 (note spelling) living with grandparents but he was b Patrick

Can you post full 1911 details so we can try to find them in 1901

[Christine53]

I think this is the family in 1911 :

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V3-NDB

Walter Halsall 44
Marie Halsall 40
Walter Halsall 13
and other children

I cannot see them on the earlier census.

Baptisms for some of the children suggest mother was Mary ( Aurelia ) Kelly. A possible marriage :
Walter Halsall , father John Halsall , and Polly Kelly , father Robert , 9 Oct 1892 Douglas , Isle of Man

[Christine53]

Baptism for Walter Halsall senior  :

Walter Halsall 21 Jan 1864 Malew , Isle of Man , parents John Halsall , farmer , and Jane

[simonhogg]

Yes, that is the family as on the 1911 census, but I've not been able to find them, any of them depending on their ages of course, on an earlier census....or any other details.

I would add that I am quite a novice with regards to all of this, I only started about 4 weeks ago

Simon

[simonhogg]

Baptism for Walter Halsall senior  :

Walter Halsall 21 Jan 1864 Malew , Isle of Man , parents John Halsall , farmer , and Jane

Where and how was this found? I ask, as I've been stumped, hence my posting.

Thanks

Simon

[KGarrad]

Normally, I would volunteer to go and have a look at the Manx Museum Library
But I have a very busy week leading up to the Pokerstars Rally next Friday & Saturday!

Best places to look would be FamilySearch.org - you have to register, but searching records is free; or www.iMuseum.im (click on the People tab, then Advanced Search).

[simonhogg]

Thanks....you are perhaps a bit closer than me (Oxford)

I've been using both those sites and I've not got any further than the 1911 census ie, not even anything for the 1901. This could be due to my lack of experience in these matters of course, but I would expect Walter Herbert Halsall (senior) to pop up on a couple of earlier censuses(sp?), they could have been elsewhere of course, Ireland would seem obvious, but I found nothing there either.

They could just have been elusive at the time of the census.

[KGarrad]

Baptism for Walter Halsall senior  :

Walter Halsall 21 Jan 1864 Malew , Isle of Man , parents John Halsall , farmer , and Jane

Good find, Christine
To complete the picture, the farm address was Moaney Mooar


Registered Deeds:
Receipt and Release. Walter Halsall to John Halsall. Moaney Moar in parish of Malew. Deed ref.: MS 09494/1893/05/106. (Deed requisition book entry: L 22639/12/3362.)
Deed date: 17 May 1893

Release. Walter Halsall to John Halsall. Moaney Mooar in parish of Malew. Deed ref.: MS 09494/1895/02/097. (Deed requisition book entry: L 22639/13/0316.)
Deed date: 28 January 1895