Close in 1810?

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I have an excellent marriage cert, recording the marriage of Thomas West (b1778) to Ann Martha Close (b1807), in Saint John of Jerusalem, Hackney. The date is 1827-09-18.

I have fairly good records of the subsequent life and children of Thomas and Ann.

I would like to push the story back, but am struggling with the "Close" family.

On the marriage cert, Ann Martha is "of the parish", and there are two witnesses, BOTH called Sarah close. I am assuming (for the moment) that one Sarah is the mother of Ann Martha, and that the other Sarah is Ann Martha's sibling, and likely the eldest daughter of Sarah-the-mother.

I even have a Sarah Close, of similar age to Ann Martha, living with the family of Thomas/Ann family in the 1841 census. (HO107/691/Book 2/fo 20 p 32 Bethnal Green.)

So I have a mini-tree, with Sarah-the-mother, Sarah-the-daughter, and Ann Martha.

But despite this fairly good start point, I have been unable to discover any further evidence for this family.

I have so far searched in Ancestry, FindMyPast, familysearch, FreeBMD, GRO.

"Close" seems to be a fairly rare name in this area, which may (or may not) be helpful.

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[jennifer c]

There is an Ann Close Bapt. St Leonard’s Shoreditch 17/8/1806 born 30th July 1806 parents John and Bridget address Long Alley.

Thomas was a widower when he married Ann Martha.

Jennifer

[bugbear]

Apologies; I should have linked in the prior discussions of the "other half" of this family;

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=675735.0

That thread was all about Thomas West (and was tremendously helpful).

I'm now trying to trace his wife's lineage - "Ann Martha Close"

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[ShaunJ]

In 1841 Sarah Close is a dressmaker in Edward Street, Bethnal Green (with the West family, as you say). Aged 35 but possibly 35-40 given the rounding down rule. Born in county.
In 1851 there's a Sarah Close in Turk Street, Bethnal Green, a needlewoman aged 40. Birthplace "not known".
In 1871 there's a Sarah Cluse in Gibraltar Walk, Bethnal Green, a needlewoman aged 65, Birthplace "London NK".



 

[bugbear]

In 1841 Sarah Close is a dressmaker in Edward Street, Bethnal Green (with the West family, as you say). Aged 35 but possibly 35-40 given the rounding down rule. Born in county.
In 1851 there's a Sarah Close in Turk Street, Bethnal Green, a needlewoman aged 40. Birthplace "not known".
In 1871 there's a Sarah Cluse in Gibraltar Walk, Bethnal Green, a needlewoman aged 65, Birthplace "London NK".

Those are all quite close together - I've highlighted them on Weller's 1868 map

http://london1868.com/

http://london1868.com/weller33.htm

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[bugbear]

In 1841 Sarah Close is a dressmaker in Edward Street, Bethnal Green (with the West family, as you say). Aged 35 but possibly 35-40 given the rounding down rule. Born in county.
In 1851 there's a Sarah Close in Turk Street, Bethnal Green, a needlewoman aged 40. Birthplace "not known".
In 1871 there's a Sarah Cluse in Gibraltar Walk, Bethnal Green, a needlewoman aged 65, Birthplace "London NK".

Can you (please) give me the piece/folio/page info for the 1871 entry?

I can't find her.
I've found her in one index and on familysearch

But even feeding various permutations of those fields to Ancestry isn't giving me the image. 

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[ShaunJ]

It's piece 478, page 36. Ancestry has transcribed the name as Sarah Chise.

[bugbear]

It's piece 478, page 36. Ancestry has transcribed the name as Sarah Chise.

Thank you. Most helpful.

As a sidebar:

I appear to have been falling foul of an Ancestry searching/indexed "feature"

If I search on:
Name:"Sarah", birth:"1806", lived in "Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom", (all terms exact)

I get no results. This was my initial search, and the rather long address is from Ancestry's auto-completion.

Name:"Sarah", birth:"1806", lived in "Bethnal Green", (all terms exact)
I get 47 results, including Miss Chise.

Name:"Sarah", birth:"1806", lived in "Bethnal Green, London", (all terms exact)
I get 649 results.

So (after 5 years using Ancestry) I am forced to admit I don't know how their place-matching works.

 BugBear

[bugbear]

And I just found in Ancestry "Sarah Caluse" in the 1861 census 

Also in Gibraltar Walk, as per the 1871.

RG 9/252/99 p 2

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