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alma mary burns
« on: Thursday 08 November 18 20:57 GMT (UK) »
alma mary burns ,nee hillman .she was married to john lambert burns  in 1901 portsmouth uk .
john remarried in 1911 claiming he was a  widower,but can find no record of her death.
prior to his 2nd wedding the 1911 census claimed he was married .
A.did she die or B did they part cos divorce was expensive .
any help pleasel

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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 November 18 21:12 GMT (UK) »
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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #2 on: Friday 09 November 18 14:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,

How old was Alma Mary Burns/Hillman in 1901 ? , that might help in locating a death or possible sighting on the 1911 Census  :-\


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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 November 18 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Divorce records for this period are on Ancestry and I couldn't see one listed for this couple. It was a frequent occurrence for people to simply separate in those days.

On the GRO (General Register Office) Index you can check for children born during that time with a surname of Burns and a mother's maiden name of Hillman. You need to register but you can search for free.

If there are any it will give you an idea of dates the couple were together.
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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 November 18 15:32 GMT (UK) »
Was Alma born in Newton Abbott 1881?
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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 November 18 15:37 GMT (UK) »
Have you thought Alma might have emigrated

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 November 18 15:45 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: louisa maud on Friday 09 November 18 15:32 GMT (UK)
Was Alma born in Newton Abbott 1881?
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If she was the Alma Mary Hillman whose birth was registered Sep qtr 1881 Newton Abbot, she was born on 21 July 1881 and baptised 14 Aug 1881 at St Paul's, Wolborough.

Parents: John (publican) and Mary Jane, of Queen St.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #7 on: Friday 09 November 18 15:59 GMT (UK) »
Yes AVM, parents on 1881 together at Wolborough, looks like Courtney Arms
John Hillman 40 born Ottery St Mary
Mary J 36 born Sidbury

Possible marriage John Hillman married Mary Jane Lock 1865  at E Stonehouse
John appears to have been a sea man up till about 1878

Alma at the moment is very evasive !!

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: alma mary burns
« Reply #8 on: Friday 09 November 18 16:00 GMT (UK) »
John died in 1885 aged 45, and Mary Jane Hillman remarried the same year to Edmund William Brooking (29 Nov 1885 at Upton - both residing at 20 Union St).

Mary Jane claimed to be 35 at remarriage in 1885, having been 36 in 1881  :D  Perhaps age was a sensitive subject - Edmund (a traveller) was only "28" in 1885.

Her father: James Lock, carrier.

Edmund's father: James Frederick Brooking, miner.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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