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Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« on: Sunday 11 November 18 17:47 GMT (UK) »
This Hackle was found when sorting out my parents attic.
Please could someone tell me which regiment it belongs to ?

I have looked online and thought it may be the Coldstream Guards ?

Theirs seems to be all red ?

Is there a significance to the small black part at the bottom ?

Does the holder represent a thistle ?

I am not aware of any close ancestors being in the Military.

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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 November 18 18:03 GMT (UK) »
The Black Watch (now 3 Scots) wear a red hackle.
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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 November 18 15:59 GMT (UK) »
Good afternoon,

Looks like the plume from a cavalry busby (hussars) or RHA busby. Hackles are feathers normally as far as I know.

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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 November 18 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both for your replies.

Yes it is made from feathers.

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, I will see if I can contact them to confirm.

I have no idea how old it is or why it should be up my parents loft !

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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 November 18 17:13 GMT (UK) »
I agree about hackles which usually have a curved top, in two parts, like an anchor reversed.

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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 November 18 09:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your replies.
I may have misunderstood, just to confirm are you saying it's a plume not a hackle ?

What is the difference in how, where, when and by whom they are worn ?

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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 November 18 15:12 GMT (UK) »
Good afternoon,

As a general rule plumes are longer and straighter than hackles.

Hackles are usually made from chicken feathers but can be horsehair, particularly the guards regts. They are worn mostly by infantry regts and have a wire loop at the bottom to fit on the beret behind the cap badge.

Plumes are usually made from horsehair but can be feather. Some are extremely long, household cavalry and dragoons, and flow downwards from the helmet. The bottom has the peg type bottom end like yours, this fits into a socket built into the busby. Hussars, RHA, RAF band etc.

I can find no reference to a red over black one for the british army but have not yet found anything on yeomanry. The only one that colour I have found is in the Pakistani army. It is possible that someone in your family served with them, officer or warrant officer rank and maybe senior NCO.

So I would say yours is a plume made of feathers. Scots regts who wear a hackle usually have them made from blackcock tail feathers hence the distinctive curves turning outwards.

Hope this helps you, John915
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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 November 18 16:20 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Attic Find - Red and Black Hackle
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 November 18 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your replies. It makes it a lot clearer.

I will have to do some more digging as to where or how it got there.

I think my Dads brother may have been in the military but not sure.

Would it be an item that would be swaped ?

They look quite expensive to make so I would you would have to hand them back after you left ?