Stuck and need some inspiration please. Cold trail Bermondsey 1881

[Fredsboy]

Thanks all,

The FBI should align itself like this! Loads of leads thx. I was aware of the kids except Annie and Gun Street keeps popping up for me, its the next street to Mina Court.

Keep em coming please, looking forwad to the weekend and plotting out all these. Good job I bought bulk post-its

Thx again
Paul

[Fredsboy]

Big thanks KGarrard.

I don't how I missed Annie - clearly you had a search strategy that she popped up, would you be OK sharing that please.
P

[Fredsboy]

Thanks keyboard 86.

Given Ellen appears to be older than John and i can find no trace of her birth as a Weatherby, I am starting to think she may have been previously married and widowed. I am following that theory for a while.
Thx again
P

[Fredsboy]

Thx AVM228

I notice you came good on baptism's , is that a strategy or filling in the gaps.

P

[keyboard86]

Thanks all,

The FBI should align itself like this! Loads of leads thx. I was aware of the kids except Annie and Gun Street keeps popping up for me, its the next street to Mina Court.

Keep em coming please, looking forwad to the weekend and plotting out all these. Good job I bought bulk post-its

Thx again
Paul

OK follow by all means that Ellen was previously married, you mention Gun Street as next door to Mina Court, the Wetherby/Weatherby family were at this address for at least 2 census?  The maiden name of the Mother of the Howell children was Weatherby?
Keyboard86

PS the birth registration of Ellen/Eleanor was provided by Osprey in reply 5
Which census return is Ellen older than John?

[KGarrad]

Big thanks KGarrard KGarrad.

I don't how I missed Annie - clearly you had a search strategy that she popped up, would you be OK sharing that please.
P

As I said - I used GRO Online Index (https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content - you have to register but it's free!).

I set Surname as Howell and Mother's Maiden Surname as Weatherby.
Then I set the Year as 1880 (Isabella's birth) +/- 2 years. (that gives a spread of 5 years)
You have to search for Male and Female separately.

Changing the year by 5 years gets the next "batch"!

Finally, I tried again but setting Mother's Maiden Surname to "Similar Sounding Variations" - which is how I found Alice.

[Fredsboy]

Ah! Doah.
I have GRO membership but I used it to find MMN and then get certificates to get addresses. It never occured to me to use a known MMN to search for other children. Hiding in plain sight. Likewise I assume from consistent use of ‘the mark of’ that literacy wasn't brilliant so using ‘sounds like’ is a great tip.

Thax again
P

Today is take stock day and see what picture all these new piece paint.

[Fredsboy]

Thanks Osprey,

I was wondering where you were coming from and independently came across the same data (which is good  ) .

Going back to my old maps we have two families two streets apart so I am discounting a previous marriage for Ellen (Eleanor/Elinor) and pursuing the Weatherby line to see where that takes me.

My poor old mum is about to get a big surprise - I'll wait till she is sitting down.

[keyboard86]

Hi again, just posting for possibly my reference the 1861 for the Weatherby family:-

John Weatherby 48 occ Hawker of Poultry b Shields, Northumberland
Mary Ann 39
John 15
George 13
Nicholas 10
Eleanor 7
Isabella 6
Residing Gun Street
All other than John snr born Lambeth.

PS Nicholas seems to have been a naughty boy, as spends two census returns in prison, 1871 in Wandsworth and 1881 in Parkhust, possibly died 1894 St George Hanover Sq.?
1891?
Keyboard86