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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 18 November 18 03:17 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 18 November 18 03:38 GMT (UK) »
This may be useful or perhaps it is yours DC  :)
 https://www.geni.com/people/Joseph-Gooch/6000000024077683318

The NSW BDM https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-research-nsw.aspx shows that the JB GOOCH dying in 1915 as mentioned as a possibility by above poster is for James B GOOCH the son of James and Henrietta in Sydney, so not one of the people you have been searching for.

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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 18 November 18 04:34 GMT (UK) »
There’s plenty of excellent resources re Sydney NSW in the 1800s that are readily available online that do not involve subscription services.  Many of them are linked at the City of Sydney archives website which is of course also listed at RChat’s NSW resources board. 
City of Sydney Archives :  https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/city-archives
And you can click on various headings there and go much deeper into the various online holdings...
For example clicking on the heading ‘Archives Investigator’ gives you this http://archives.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/  which in turn gives you this   http://archives.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Series\26\Item\Related  (Letters received by Council 1843 – 1899) 
There’s Assessment Books (so for example you can find John GOOCH, Woolloomooloo in the 1850s, determine if he owned or rented, and how many rooms in the building, no. of floors, what the roof was made from, who was the owner, the assessed value of the property, and compare with neighbouring properties etc )
For example http://photosau.com.au/CosRates/scripts/home.asp
There’s photos and maps so you can locate the ward and street from that assessment book info
For example :  http://atlas.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/   
There’s street directories (Sands) so you can determine neighbours names too and see the broad picture
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory

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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 18 November 18 07:50 GMT (UK) »
The surname GOOCH certainly quite popular in NSW records  :D and in Qld as well.

NSW Electoral Roll 1870 EAST SYDNEY
GOOCH
Harry, residence, 77 Elizabeth Street
John, household, 557 Crown Street
William B, freehold, Palmer and Stephen Streets

NSW ER 1870 PADDINGTON
John B GOOCH, of Mudgee, freehold houses Paddington

An index that I have handy has John Burton GOOCH noted in the NSW Government Gazette 2 May 1860, unclaimed letters.  I have not located the actual image of that issue of the gazette.

Queensland ER 1900 BRISBANE
John Burton GOOCH residence, Merivale Street, third house from Boy’s School.   

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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 18 November 18 08:47 GMT (UK) »
That's a lot to catch up on....

They all sound like valuable resources and I can see I'll be doing hours of browsing tomorrow  ;)

The GENI family tree you located is my online work-space and is definitely a work in progress
where the Gooch family are concerned. You should not use it as a reliable source of data (yet) as I am still working things out here (with your help).

I have been trying to integrate the information you all have been giving me into a coherent
picture and the pieces don't seem to fit together perfectly. Can it be that John Burton Gooch (son of John Campbell Gooch) married twice, to (I should say consecutive) women named Elizabeth?

I don't have a precise birth date for Bertha May but it must be close to the birth date of her brother Herbert Sherlock in 1882. But you see that her father is about 38 years old when they are born. I am thinking that they are children of a second marriage.




Looking at the broad picture, it appears to me that Joseph Bright Gooch went to find his older brother John Campbell Gooch in Sydney in 1862. There is not even an atom of evidence he stayed in Australia after that despite the huge search we've done. If he'd died there we would have seen it. Ditto for marrying and starting a family. So I'm thinking now he drifted on to some other country that did not keep records.

Lots for me to read...
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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 18 November 18 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Looks like a marriage I picked up from another family tree, four years ago, is not valid.

The author believed that Eliza Styles married John Campbell Gooch and had a number of children with him.

Using the NSW family history resource, I see that Eliza Styles married Heathcote John Bedford Gooch in Sydney in 1873. Nothing to do with my ancestor.

But I'm new at using this particular resource, so could I ask someone to double-check that my discovery is correct?

This makes the John Campbell Gooch story a lot simpler.
Looks as though he simply married late in life.

-DC

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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 18 November 18 20:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi DC,
   Yes that's correct - Eliza STYLES married Heathcote John Bedford GOOCH in 1873 in Sydney

   I'm glad it's simpler.    :)

   I still haven't found births for Herbert or Bertha in NSW (as Herbert said on enlistment)

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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 18 November 18 21:02 GMT (UK) »
 :)  Photo of H.S. Gooch from the National Archives of Australia website https://discoveringanzacs.naa.gov.au/browse/person/200035

 :)  Download pdf from the Australian War Memorial website https://www.awm.gov.au/sites/default/files/Stories_by_State_Herbert_Sherlock_Gooch.pdf 

 :) National Archives of Australia fact sheet re Boer War http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs67.aspx

 :) AWM Herbert Sherlock GOOCH Boer War Nominal Roll entry https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/R1445733  Private in the 5th Queensland Imperial Bushmen Unit,   

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Re: Joseph Bright Gooch, mariner born UK 1832, possibly resident in Australia.
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 18 November 18 21:31 GMT (UK) »
Yes the death of Herbert got quite a bit of attention at the time. Even when his sister died in 1935, a big chunk of the obit was a reference to her brother.

No need to go too far down the generations of this family as it is a side branch to my own family.
My principal targets were John Campbell Gooch and of course his brother Joseph Bright Gooch.

Having said that, the stories that have emerged have been quite fascinating.

One detail struck me as odd, and I wonder if anyone has comments:
When Herbert died in 1915, the newspaper article talked about his mother being informed. Yet Herbert's father is still alive at the time. And I think the article that describes the marriage of Bertha also mentions Mrs Gooch (the mother) without reference to the father. (I will have to review that just to be sure). It gives the impression that the father is not around.


-DC
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