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Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« on: Thursday 15 November 18 16:10 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help me please with deciphering correctly the following description of a Family Crest.

"A griphon’s head erm. Wings endorsed erminois gorged with a collar az. Therefrom pendant a cross Moline gu”


In addition, can I only find out when a crest was awarded by contacting the College of Arms please - or is there a quicker and easier way?

Many thanks if you can help.
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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 November 18 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Google??


 Try           griphon’s head erm. Wings endorsed erminois gorged with a collar   


or whatever!
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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 November 18 16:58 GMT (UK) »
Hallmark -- thank you so much for your speedy reply. I supect 'griphon' is what we would now know as 'griffin' -- but it's the colours I am not sure of as well.

I can't believe I didn't think of googling it! (Age!)
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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 November 18 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

to describe the crest

a Griffin's head coloured white with black spots
wings back to back coloured gold with black spots
encircled round the throat with a blue collar from which hangs a red cross that has slightly flared ends

hope this helps
Chris
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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 November 18 18:42 GMT (UK) »
Chris -- you are an absolute star. Thank you so very much. I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify this.
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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 November 18 18:48 GMT (UK) »
no problem

Chris
Sockett in Shropshire, Montgomeryshire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire, Glamorgan and probably the rest of the UK
Corbet/t in Shropshire, Norfolk, Worcestershire
Gambold in South West Wales, USA, Australia
Baylis/s in Gloucestershire, South Wales
Richards in Breconshire
Manthorpe in Shropshire, Norfolk, Cheshire, Suffolk

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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 November 18 18:49 GMT (UK) »
Chris --- it was to me!!
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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 November 18 19:07 GMT (UK) »
btw

the crest, worn on the helmet, was the emblem that served as a rallying point for the knights followers when the banner and shield were broken so making him known in battle or tournament. That is why no crest was allowed to a female.

Do you have a description of his Shield of Arms?

 Chris
Sockett in Shropshire, Montgomeryshire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire, Glamorgan and probably the rest of the UK
Corbet/t in Shropshire, Norfolk, Worcestershire
Gambold in South West Wales, USA, Australia
Baylis/s in Gloucestershire, South Wales
Richards in Breconshire
Manthorpe in Shropshire, Norfolk, Cheshire, Suffolk

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Re: Deciphering the description of a Family Crest please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 November 18 20:13 GMT (UK) »
That is an interesting piece of information Chris, I didn't know that.

Unfortunately though, I don't have any details of a Shield of Arms -- I have obtained this crest from a book on the Ancestry website, originally published in 1897.

I have now written to the College of Arms to enquire about it's validity and to ask, if it is valid -- to which member of the family it was awarded.

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Lancashire, West Yorkshire, Southern Ireland, Scotland.