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Offline Steve Venables

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Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Please could you help!

I have stated tracing my family history but unfortunately the line stops at my grand dad!

My grandma however can be traced back to pretty much the 1500s.

Hereís what I have:

My dad Malcolm Venables (1951-2003) had 4 brothers. Alan, Peter, Paul and Anthony (Tony). There parents were Margret Pearl Kemp and Eric Venables.

Margrets line is easy to find following the Kemps including William Kemp who died at Broadmoor hospital in 1888, through the Stone family into Fox (Foxe) and into Vaux.

However! Eric stops at Eric.

What I do know is he had a brother called Jack Venables. Thereís also no record of Jack. Wether that was a nick name I donít know. My uncles just knew him as Jack. Apparently he had 2 sons one called Robert and 2 or 3 daughters.

Eric Venables was born 29 Jan 1927 in Staffordshire. He died in 1982 possibly Coventry or Nuneaton.

The Venables/ Kemps were largely based around Orchard Street / Marston lane in Bedworth Warwickshire but as Eric was from Staffordshire I guess thatís where his parents and Jack would be based.

So basically I am looking to find Ericís parents and anything about ĎJackí!


Any leads / help would be much appreciated

Thank you

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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Welcome :)

According to Ericís birth registration (West Bromwich, Mar qtr 1927) his motherís maiden name was Russell.  Have you looked for a Venables-Russell marriage for his parents?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Iíd recommend you look for Ericís entry on the 1939 Register (on Ancestry or Findmypast) to help you identify his parents.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:39 GMT (UK) »
I would suggest this marriage may be relevant:

Mar qtr 1925 Coventry

John T Venables to Gladys H Russell


...and a birth registration for ďJackĒ:

John R Venables, motherís maiden name Russell, Sep qtr 1925 Coventry.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi, thanks for the quick reply.

Yes I have tried Russell and also another, begins with B ( canít remember at the mo)

But no luck seeing Eric or Jack on any Census etc..

The closest I have come on ancestry is the parents named Charles and Ada who have Eric named on a 1939 Census address 136 Walsall wood road. But that is all. Still no jack. And no ada / Charles listed as married or on birth certificates

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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Great, that does look promising, I shall look straight into that thank you!


I would suggest this marriage may be relevant:

Mar qtr 1925 Coventry

John T Venables to Gladys H Russell


...and a birth registration for ďJackĒ:

John R Venables, motherís maiden name Russell, Sep qtr 1925 Coventry.

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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:48 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I think you have been following a red herring with Charles and Ada.

You will not find Eric and John/Jack on a published census, for the simple reason that they were not born by the time of the most recent published census (1911).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 November 18 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi, welcome to Rootschat

My grandfather was John, but everyone called him Jack. https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Jack-a-nickname-for-John

1939 On Ancestry they are mistranscribed as Venablee, also Eric age b1924. No wonder you could not find them!

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Re: Venables / Kemp / Bedworth
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 November 18 22:04 GMT (UK) »
Great 😊 itís all starting to look good now, just need to find jack ďjohnís children 😁😁