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Forest of Dean - didicoys
« on: Friday 16 November 18 18:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi. We are currently compiling my father in Law’s family tree as a surprise for him. One of the queries we are trying to solve is that his Grandfather was known to be a Didicoy. I’d not heard the term before, but apparently it is someone with Gypsy blood.  His name was Clarence Albert Morgan.  He was born in Westbury on Severn 1883 to Thomas A Morgan and Martha Prime Head. His grandparents  surnames were Morgan, Hammett, Head and Jones. Clarence Albert later moved to Cwm in South Wales, where he married Maud Mary Merry and raised 8 children.  He died aged 47. Does anyone on here know of any gypsy families in W on S during or before Clarence Albert’s time (1883), with any of the names I have mentioned above?  Any information would be gratefully received. Thank you.
GODDARD: Cwm, Ebbw Vale & Market Lavington
MORGAN: Cwm, Ebbw Vale; Forest of Dean
HEAD: Forest of Dean
MERRY: Forest of Dean
DAVIES:  Ffynondudur, Llaen Rd, RhydLewis, Llandysil, Cardigan
BARBER:  Leintwardine, Lugwardine, Hereford, Ledbury, Abbey Dore, Ewyas Harold, Pontrilas
GODWIN:  Tewksbury, Hereford
LEWIS:  Tipton Willey, Yonkin Farm
KERTON:  Pontlottyn, Waunllwyd, Ebbw Vale, Somerset
COLLARD (COLLAR):  Somerset, Waunllwyd, Ebbw Vale
TRACE:  Tredegar, Ebbw Vale,  Somerset

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Re: Forest of Dean - didicoys
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 November 18 18:24 GMT (UK) »
IF he had traveller ancestors, then his parent's occupation(s) and locations of where they dropped their sprogs is highly relevant.

Can you supply that (in transcribed form)

Pauline

EDIT:
MORGAN, CLARENCE  ALBERT     PRINCE    1883  D Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 235

I thought his mother's surname was Head?
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Re: Forest of Dean - didicoys
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 November 18 18:25 GMT (UK) »

If you are not already a Member (free to join, just register) I would suggest you join the Forest of Dean Family History Trust - which has thousands of records transcribed including

At Cinderford Bridge Methodist

5 December 1883

Clarence Albert MORGAN

parents: Thomas Arthur and Martha

residence: Ruspidge

Officiating Minister: William CUMBERLAND

Event: Baptism

Memoranda: Born September 19 1883

Parish Chapel: Cinderford Bridge Methodist



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« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 November 18 18:37 GMT (UK) »
1901 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9YM-S2K
1891 census (page 2) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4KSD-4MM

Child Surname   Child Forename   Mother's Former Name   Year   District   Office   
MORGAN   Clarence Albert   PRINA   1883   Forest of Dean   Westbury on Severn, Newnham   51   113

MORGAN   Bertha   HEAD   1888   Forest of Dean   Westbury on Severn, Newnham   57   243   
MORGAN   Bertha   PREECE   1887   Forest of Dean   Monmouth, Coleford   44   394

MORGAN   Ada Anne   HEAD   1891   Forest of Dean   Monmouth, Coleford   48   29

MORGAN   James Henry   HEAD   1893   Forest of Dean   Monmouth, Coleford   50   167
MORGAN   William           HEAD   1895   Forest of Dean   Monmouth, Coleford   52   180
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Re: Forest of Dean - didicoys
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 November 18 18:46 GMT (UK) »
Again from the Forest of Dean Records

Marriage at Cinderford St John

2 May 1881

Thomas Albert MORGAN aged 24, Bachelor, Collier

father: Richard MORGAN, Shopkeeper

Martha PRINE (as transcribed) HEAD

aged 19, Spinster,

residence: Cinderford

Bride's father name:  Henry HEAD, Miner

He marks she signs

witness 1: Richard COOPER

witness 2: Annie HEAD


As the 1881 census was taken on the 3 April - Martha and Annie will be on the 1881 census.  Martha is working as a Servant aged 19.

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Re: Forest of Dean - didicoys
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 November 18 18:52 GMT (UK) »
As Martha - states her father's name was Henry - this is the 1871 census East Dean

HEAD

Henry - 28 - Iron Miner - born Wiltshire, Stratton (which is Swindon)
Sabina - 27 - all born East Dean
Martha - 8
Rosina - 6
Sarah Ann - 5
Bertha - 2


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You can then use the Forest of Dean records for lots of information including Henry HEAD marrying Sabina JONES - 26 January 1863.

Henry's father was Frank HEAD etc. etc

In 1851 you will find Martha HEAD aged 40 living in Little Dean Glos, Rail labourer's wife - and Henry was born, Swindon, Wiltshire.

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Re: Forest of Dean - didicoys
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 November 18 19:03 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for this information, it’s very much appreciated. We still have the puzzle as to where the ‘didicoy’ comes from.  It’s very intriguing and I know it’s sonetginv my 81 year old father in law would love to find out.  I will do as you suggested and join the F of D family history trust. Maybe they can throw some light on Traveller families in the area at that time. Thank you once again. 😊
GODDARD: Cwm, Ebbw Vale & Market Lavington
MORGAN: Cwm, Ebbw Vale; Forest of Dean
HEAD: Forest of Dean
MERRY: Forest of Dean
DAVIES:  Ffynondudur, Llaen Rd, RhydLewis, Llandysil, Cardigan
BARBER:  Leintwardine, Lugwardine, Hereford, Ledbury, Abbey Dore, Ewyas Harold, Pontrilas
GODWIN:  Tewksbury, Hereford
LEWIS:  Tipton Willey, Yonkin Farm
KERTON:  Pontlottyn, Waunllwyd, Ebbw Vale, Somerset
COLLARD (COLLAR):  Somerset, Waunllwyd, Ebbw Vale
TRACE:  Tredegar, Ebbw Vale,  Somerset

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Re: Forest of Dean - didicoys
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 November 18 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi. We are currently compiling my father in Law’s family tree as a surprise for him. One of the queries we are trying to solve is that his Grandfather was known to be a Didicoy. I’d not heard the term before, but apparently it is someone with Gypsy blood.  His name was Clarence Albert Morgan.  He was born in Westbury on Severn 1883 to Thomas A Morgan and Martha Prime Head. His grandparents  surnames were Morgan, Hammett, Head and Jones. Clarence Albert later moved to Cwm in South Wales, where he married Maud Mary Merry and raised 8 children.  He died aged 47. Does anyone on here know of any gypsy families in W on S during or before Clarence Albert’s time (1883), with any of the names I have mentioned above?  Any information would be gratefully received. Thank you.

A Didicoy is someone of mixed heritage, part Romani Part non-Romani.

Cheers
Guy

PS It is more common for a Romani man to marry a non-Romani than a Romani woman to marry a non-Romani
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Re: Forest of Dean - didicoys
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 November 18 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks. I didn’t know that. So at least now we know we are probable looking at the male line.  That helps.
GODDARD: Cwm, Ebbw Vale & Market Lavington
MORGAN: Cwm, Ebbw Vale; Forest of Dean
HEAD: Forest of Dean
MERRY: Forest of Dean
DAVIES:  Ffynondudur, Llaen Rd, RhydLewis, Llandysil, Cardigan
BARBER:  Leintwardine, Lugwardine, Hereford, Ledbury, Abbey Dore, Ewyas Harold, Pontrilas
GODWIN:  Tewksbury, Hereford
LEWIS:  Tipton Willey, Yonkin Farm
KERTON:  Pontlottyn, Waunllwyd, Ebbw Vale, Somerset
COLLARD (COLLAR):  Somerset, Waunllwyd, Ebbw Vale
TRACE:  Tredegar, Ebbw Vale,  Somerset