Help with Haldanes of Hawick

[MonicaL]

Derek, you can add a clip of the image section you are having a problem deciphering and/or contact SP and request a sharper scan of the image. This can help a lot in making out what is written.

Those missing years of 1851 and 1861 are a real pain for sure!

Monica

[Dereksteven]

Hi Monica,
Now attached and thanks again.

Regards
Derek

[MonicaL]

You have from the cert the names that you thought you had:

'Widower of Elizabeth Welsh and married to Isabella Carson maiden name Scott"

You have dates there for Elizabeth death in 1860 and the 1862 remarriage to Isabella. This would have given you additional verification of names etc.

And Andrew's death in 1867 back in Hawick 

Monica

[MonicaL]

You mentioned a possible 1871 census entry for Robert. From Family Search, (you  need to be signed on to view now) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V557-JJF  I would agree this looks very likely for him.

Have you got his wife in 1871 to let you confirm? I saw a possible one for her, a Jane Holden, lodging in 1871 at the household of an Agnes Angers in Neilston.

He is so consistent for sure with c. 1847 and Hawick isn't he.

Monica

[MonicaL]

  Just reviewing things. Something is not right here.

The death cert you have above is that for the Andrew Holdane that Mabel mentioned yesterday. It was this Andrew that was married to first Elizabeth Welsh and then, from what have, Isabella Carson/Scott. As you can see from his death cert, his occupation shows as a frame smith. This is him in 1861 I think:

Andrew Holdon 40 frame smith b. Dumfries
Robert Holdon 18 Wool Factory Worker b. Dumfries
Eliza Holdon 16 Wool Factory Worker b. Dumfries https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT1Y-17P
Thomas Holdon 14 b. Dumfries https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT1Y-1XT
Andrew Holdon 10 b. Dumfries
Joseph Holdon 5 b. Hawick

Address: 50 Loan, Hawick

They look to have lost a few children very young going by the birth indexes... You mentioned that Elizabeth Welsh had died 12 May 1860. She had not long given birth to Jessie https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQC5-DN

Monica

[MonicaL]

What happened with Andrew, the blacksmith, and wife Elizabeth Curle 

The last child I can see for them is Elizabeth born 29 March 1855 in Innerleithen Peebles.

No death showing for Elizabeth Curle/Haldane (with a good sprinkling of wildcards) on SP that I can see....as you know on SP, always easier to look for married women with their two surnames. They may have left Scotland?

Monica

[MonicaL]

What happened with Andrew, the blacksmith, and wife Elizabeth Curle 

New Zealand! See www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/79307569/person/48399692868/facts
There are a number of trees showing for this line apart from this one.

We may not be making any headway with Robert so far, but we seem to likely know where Andrew is 

Monica

PS: On these trees, there looks to be a photo for Andrew and wife in some family booklet that has been created by family members.

[vivdunstan]

The IGI still has very incomplete coverage of Scottish church registers.

I just looked in ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk and there's a baptism in the "other church registers" (i.e. non Church of Scotland) as below:

Robert Middleton
Parents Robert Middleton and Elizabeth Nichol
Born 25 Feb 1846
Baptised 15 Mar 1846
At Newhills Free, Aberdeenshire

That has to be worth following up.

Good luck!

[vivdunstan]

P.S. This Robert Middleton appears in the 1851 Newhills census with his parents.

And it looks as though his mother Elizabeth Nichol/Middleton died at Newhills in 1860, aged 44.

Though checking further the son Robert Middleton died at Newhills in 1873 aged 26. If he was thus presumably a different man it seems a remarkable coincidence of names, if not places so much.