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« on: Saturday 17 November 18 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Dear all  - Can anyone identify this uniform . It's my grandfather Fred Pyne. I don't know what part he played in the war and thought from record cards on Ancestry that he might have been in the RAMC (Medical Corps) but don't think this matches the uniform. I've failed to properly id the badge on the sash.  Fred survived the war I believe he was invalided out and  married in 1917 Thanks  Jeremy

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Re: Uniform ID
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 November 18 17:26 GMT (UK) »
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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Uniform ID
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 November 18 19:31 GMT (UK) »
The Corps of Commissionaires had a crowned badge on a shiny cross belt.  Sword and anchor crossed in centre.
I see from the later post that the current Corps members have the cross belt on the other shoulder.

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 November 18 19:51 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Uniform ID
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 November 18 23:14 GMT (UK) »
We don't know why you have settled on the RAMC man but there are other candidates: notably Frederick Pyne 9786 North Staffs Regiment, discharged for wounds 7 July 1917; and Fred Pyne S201594 (formerly 3638) Devonshire Regiment, discharged for sickness 2 October 1917.
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Re: Uniform ID
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 November 18 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for the replies so far, I 'll follow these up - don't know why I didn't try this before!. Re the North Staffs and Devon Regiment candidates , I perhaps wrongly ruled these out based on geography. My Grandad was born and would have joined up in South London.

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Re: Uniform ID
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 November 18 11:37 GMT (UK) »
PS to the earlier message,  the badge , based on a better view from the original image definately looks right ie the crowned star with the crossed anchor and sword. I thought it was a wheel from the picture but the circle through which the sword and anchor pass gives that form.

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Re: Uniform ID
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 November 18 11:59 GMT (UK) »
You might be able to rule out 9786 F. Pyne N. Staffs as he was a pre war regular, attested 1912-13.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Uniform ID
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 November 18 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jim, my Fred was born in 1894 in South London,so age wise possibly still a possibility, but  I'd assumed that the Staffs and Devon regiments were made up by recruits from those areas, but I'm no expert. Maybe , if I can confirm the service in the Corps of Commissionaires that my chap stayed employed with them through the war but I see from a quick look at the history that a large number of them did sign up into the army.