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John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« on: Saturday 17 November 18 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I'm researching the family of John Thomas Cash b.1896 Broughton.

I have a baptism for him Q4 1896 Wrexham gives his mother's maiden name as Windsor.

A national school admission register gives his dob as 7 November 1896 and his father, Thomas.

Searching marriages of John Thomas Cash to a Windsor brings up a marriage on 1 Mar 1924 at Gwersyllt to Elizabeth Rogers and also, that Elizabeth's father as Daniel.

1901 census - John Thos Cash is with his parents (Thomas & Sarah Cash) and siblings Jane, Edward, Lilian and William.  All living at Broughton.  His father is listed as born 1849 and a labourer (Pit Bank) with birth place Gwersyllt.  Sarah's year of birth is 1863 and born Welshampton, Shropshire.

1911 census - John Thomas (J.T.) is aged 14, living at home  in Broughton with his widowed mother Sarah and siblings Edward, Lilian, Hebert and Gwendoline.  J.T. is listed as a trollier below ground. [John Thomas Cash b.1896 died 1965]

John Thomas's father THOMAS CASH
Birth record - Thomas Cash born 14 May 1848 - mother's maiden name Griffiths, District Wrexham. Baptised at Gresford church. Abode: Summer Hill. Thomas's father: John Cash (labourer), mother: Ann.

I looked for a marriage for Thomas Cash to Sarah Windsor (as proved above), local to Wrexham, and found one in 1885 (bans 1, 8, 15 Feb 1885) at Brymbo.  Sarah was living at Cobmere, Salop.

I looked through all the census lists to try and follow this THOMAS CASH through and I seem to get a mixture of people whose birth places are not necessarily Denbighshire.

1901 Thomas Cash (born Gwersyllt 1849) Labourer & Sarah (Welshampton) +Jane b.1886, Edward b.1891, John Thos b.1897, Lilian b. 1899 and William Windsor newphew b.1890, living Broughton.

1891 Thomas Cash (born Broughton 1848) Miner's labourer & Sarah (ditto) + Jane b.1886, E.Ann b.1888, Edward b.1891 Joseph b. 1865 and William Windsor b. 1890, living Broughton.

1881 John Cash (born Chirk 1822) Plate layer & wife Ann (b. Bangor 1823) + Thomas Cash b.1849(colliery labourer), Edward Cash b.1858 & Joseph Cash b.1865, all living Broughton.

1871 John Cash (b.1823 Chirk) Labourer & wife Anne b.1824 Flintshire. Plus Thomas b.1849, Emma b.1851, James b.1857, Edward b.1858, Elizabeth b. 1860, Ann b.1863, Joseph b.1865 and 2 boarders, all children born Summerhill, Denbighshire. Family living Moss Gwersyllt.

BUT THEN I  FIND A JOHN CASH WITH A DIFFERENT WIFE.

1861 John Cash (b.1820 Chirk) Coalminer & wife MARY CASH b.1821 St Martins, Shropshire. Plus Philip b.1846, Thomas b.1848, Elizabeth b.1851, Sarah, 1856 and Mary b.1859 - all born St Martins, Shropshire - except Elizabeth born Staffs. Family living Wern, St Martins. Shropshire.


In 1851 there are two records that could relate to this family -

Ann Cash - Head - Widow - b. 1818 coal miner's wife, born Chirk with Thomas Cash, son, b. 1846, born Chirk, both living at Pentrehuged, Chirk.

(and another)

John Cash (b.1821 Chirk) & wife Mary b.1821 b.1821 St Martins, Shropshire, plus children: Philip b.1846, Thomas b.1848 and Elizabeth b.1851 all born St Martins.  Family living Walsall Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.

1841 census
Thomas Cash (b.1791 Denbighshire) coalminer, & wife Elizabeth b.1796 Denbighshire, with children
Ann b.1821, John b.1821, Chud b.1826, Philip b.1826, Samuel b.1828 and Edward b.1833, all born Denbighshire. family living Black Park Barracks, Chirk.

I have 2 marriages for JOHN CASH
 - (1) to a MARY ROGERS on 5 July 1841 at St Martin's - groom's father's Thomas Cash, spouse's father Richard Rogers -
 - (2) to a ANNE GRIFFITHS on 9 May 1846 at Holt, Denbighshire - groom's father Richard Cash and spouses's father John Griffiths.

I apologise for such a laboured posting but I needed to get all the information down.

I would be grateful for anyone's remarks as to whether I have correctly identified the family I am tracing - and whether some (or all) the census records I have given are right. Could it be that John Cash was twice married?  But the marriages above quote a different father!

Thank you for taking the trouble to read this.



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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 November 18 22:32 GMT (UK) »
Haven’t read all your post but your 4th line does not read correctly.  Windsor was his mothers maiden name

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Searching marriages of John Thomas Cash to a Windsor brings up a marriage on 1 Mar 1924 at Gwersyllt to Elizabeth Rogers and also, that Elizabeth's father as Daniel.

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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 November 18 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I should have said that I already knew from our family that he married Elizabeth Rogers. Windsor was the maiden name of John Thomas Cash's mother, Sarah.  ::)

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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 November 18 22:45 GMT (UK) »
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I looked for a marriage for Thomas Cash to Sarah Windsor (as proved above), local to Wrexham, and found one in 1885 (bans 1, 8, 15 Feb 1885) at Brymbo.  Sarah was living at Cobmere, Salop.

A copy of the marriage cert will show if he was a widower - it will also show his fathers name
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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 November 18 23:15 GMT (UK) »
I've not read all your post but just to say that the Chirk and St Martin's Cash families are likely to be my relatives. My 3 x great Grandmother was Ann Cash.

I'll check my tree tomorrow.

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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 November 18 01:54 GMT (UK) »
I’m confused by your confusion. ;D

1871 John Cash (b.1823 Chirk) Labourer & wife Anne b.1824 Flintshire. Plus Thomas b.1849, Emma b.1851, James b.1857, Edward b.1858, Elizabeth b. 1860, Ann b.1863, Joseph b.1865 and 2 boarders, all children born Summerhill, Denbighshire. Family living Moss Gwersyllt.

BUT THEN I  FIND A JOHN CASH WITH A DIFFERENT WIFE.

1861 John Cash (b.1820 Chirk) Coalminer & wife MARY CASH b.1821 St Martins, Shropshire. Plus Philip b.1846, Thomas b.1848, Elizabeth b.1851, Sarah, 1856 and Mary b.1859 - all born St Martins, Shropshire - except Elizabeth born Staffs. Family living Wern, St Martins. Shropshire.


They are not the same John, as children are being born the same years with registrations for mmn ROGERS in OSWESTRY (Elizabeth WOLVERHAMPTON) and GRIFFITHS in WREXHAM. You will find all the births on GRO.

Mmn ROGERS, 1843 Thomas, 1845 Phillip, 1848 Thomas, 1851 Elizabeth, 1854 Mary Ann, 1856 Sarah, 1858 Mary, 1861 John

Mmn GRIFFITH, 1848 Thomas, 1850 Emma, 1852 Eliza, 1854 John, 1856 James, 1858 Edward, 1860 Elizabeth, 1861 John, 1863 Ann, 1865 Joseph, 1866 John.

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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 November 18 02:24 GMT (UK) »
John Cash (b.1821 Chirk) & wife Mary b.1821 b.1821 St Martins, Shropshire, plus children: Philip b.1846, Thomas b.1848 and Elizabeth b.1851 all born St Martins.  Family living Walsall Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.

These are Cash/Rogers, 1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGG4-HBW

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7YR-6LK

On the 1871, I’m only seeing Sarah: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFT4-1WB

I can’t find the Cash/Griffiths on 1851, 1861 census.  :(

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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 November 18 12:10 GMT (UK) »
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1841 census
Thomas Cash (b.1791 Denbighshire) coalminer, & wife Elizabeth b.1796 Denbighshire, with children
Ann b.1821, John b.1821, Chud b.1826, Philip b.1826, Samuel b.1828 and Edward b.1833, all born Denbighshire. family living Black Park Barracks, Chirk.

From some notes, I have:

24 May 1790 Edward Cash married Anne Frances Chirk

Children of Edward and Ann: (variously Brinkynallt, Halton, Black Park)
born 11/bpt 23 Jan 1791- Thomas 

27 Nov 1813 - Thomas Cash, collier,  married Martha Thomas  - witness, brother Richard

Feb 9 1817, Martha Cash, aged 24,  burial , Chirk

10 Oct 1818 - Thomas Cash, bachelor) married Elizabeth Jones - no Cash among witnesses and Thomas entered as a bachelor!



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Re: John Thomas CASH, b. 1897 Broughton
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 November 18 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Also:

Baptism, Chirk

23 July 1815, John Cash  s of Thomas and Martha, Abode - Sun which was in the pentre area of the parish.

Martha's death has her abode as Pentre.

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