Patrick Feeney birth 1845 - 1855

[RodEast]

I am seeking information about the birth, ancestors and marriage of Patrick Feeney.  He was born in County Carlow, married Elizabeth and moved to Liverpool before 1871. He was a merchant seaman marine fireman.  I have the England census information from 1871 but nothing prior to this point.  Any help or information will be appreciated.
Rod Eastham

[myluck!]

Did they have any children listed on the census?
If you could locate a birth of a child you'd have a maiden name for Elizabeth to work with

[dathai]

looks like them ?
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX8-BRS

1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-M6N9

[myluck!]

I am open to corrections working off so little but think that this is the family
and using dathai's suggestions

Patrick FEENEY s/o Patrick FEENEY
married on Oct 15 1865 in New Hedley Street, Liverpool
Elizabeth HARPER d/o Thomas HARPER
Civil Reference 1865 Liverpool Q4 V8b P558

Marrying in 1865 would imply both were born c1845 or before

Children (shown as 10 on 1911 census of which one was still alive)
1 Catherine b Aug 10 1866 bap Our lady of Reconciliation de la Salette Aug 12 1866 d1890
2 Bridget b Jan 20 1868 bap St. Alban's Feb 02 1868 d 1868
3 Mary A b May 21 1869  bap St. Alban's May 30 1868 d1894
4 James b Aug 25 1871 bap St. Alban's Aug 28 1871 d 1873
5 William James b Dec 25 1873 bap St. Alban's Jan 04 1874 d 1907
6 Patrick b Dec 25 1875 bap St. Alban's Jan 02 1876 d1908
7 Elizabeth b Sept 08 1880 bap St. Sylvester's Sep 10 1880 d before 1911
8 John bc1885 d1934 - m Julia Cunliffe
9 Margaret bc1887 d1892
10 ? if marriage is correct I would suspect there is a Thomas somewhere!

Mother's maiden name on baptisms are several variations of Harper, Harpar, Harpur, Hartle, etc.

[RodEast]

Thanks for that those names of children tie in with the census returns.  The problem may be that the 1911 census return image has a mark under Patrick's place of birth which may suggest Elizabeth was born in Ireland and the other censuses seem to agree.  Do you have any comments or guidance?
Rod

[myluck!]

Some census returns seem to imply that Elizabeth was born in Ireland but there were many errors made through misunderstandings, strong accents and low literacy.
However in 1881 when Patrick was not in the household she is shown as Ireland.

This leads me to believe that she was born in Ireland and this was written in with no reference to another person

[RodEast]

The children all tie in so I guess its back for a rethink
Rod

[RodEast]

You were right as the birth certificate of their son William James Emanuel Feeney (the one I am interested in) born in Liverpool on 25 December 1873 has the father listed as Patrick Feeney (Stoker) and the mother as Elizabeth formerly Harper Residing in Idris Street
I think this is Elizabeth Hutton Harper - Baptism: 14 Jan 1839 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England registered 1st qtr West Derby, Lancashire, England 20 844 born to Thomas Heaton Harper and Ann Hutton but I am still trying to confirm this.  Any thoughts?
Rod Eaasthanm

[ToffeeBill]

Hi there Rod
I was alerted to this site/forum, only last night by my cousin John Feeney. Patrick Feeney born 1846 in Carlow is my Great Grandad. A few month ago I gathered info on Ancestry.Com.
If I can help in any way I would be pleased to do so.