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Help with three words and a surname
« on: Tuesday 20 November 18 01:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The first snippet is taken from Boyds Inhabitants of London and concerns my ancestor Leonard Curson.  Can anyone tell me what those first three words are ? I'm confident that the third is index, but not sure about the other two.


The second snippet is taken from Leonards Will dated 1603. He leaves money to his sisters daughters, the snip includes Christian ? ? ? three pounds and Rose ? ? ?    -  Is that a surname ? Possibly Dewite or Dewise.

Thank you for any help given.
Claire
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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 01:41 GMT (UK) »
Com(mon) Serj(eant’s) Index -- a register belonging to the ‘Court of Orphans’ in the City of London. This was one of the sources of information used by Boyd for the families of City Freemen.

A description of the responsibilities and activities of the Court of Orphans at various dates is given here ...
https://aim25.com/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=11437&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2=

I read the surname in your second snippet as Dewite.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 01:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bookbox

Thank you so much :)

You made my day :)

Claire
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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire

On my tablet so can't see actual book page images, but Curson here:-

Returns of aliens dwelling in the city and suburbs of London from the reign of Henry VIII to that of James I
Published 1907
Volume Vol 10 Pt 3(1522-1625)

https://archive.org/details/returnsofaliensd1031hugu/page/n7

Covers: lay subsidies, additional (London), Surrey, divers counties (Middx.), Middlesex, London, Dutch church registers; domestic state papers of Mary, Elizabeth, James I, and Henry VIII; Lansdowne MS, Dutch church MS, Cecil manuscripts, Strype's "Archbishop Grindall," Haynes's "State papers," Strype's "Annals of the Reformation," Burn's "History of the foreign refugees," Stow's "Survey of London" by Strype, Hamper's "Life of Dugdale" and includes an index of trades, occupations, etc. at the beginning of each volume as well as an index of places in and near London at the end of each volume

pt. 1. 1523-1571 -- pt. 2. 1571-1597 -- pt. 3. 1598-1625 ; Additions, 1522-1595 -- [pt. 4]. Index

Cumulative index: [pt. 4]

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Also Curson and Cursoone, here

Returns of aliens dwelling in the city and suburbs of London from the reign of Henry VIII. to that of James I
Published 1900

https://archive.org/details/returnsofaliensdkirk


Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mark

Wow - This Curson and Dewite family have proved quite hard to track down with no evidence of them in early parish records. The first book I’ve looked at gave me a De White family of Dutch origin.

So something new to look into

You made my day too  :)

Claire
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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire

As I mentioned the other day re the Index, the first two words in the image were abbreviated that the middle abbreviation was for Serjeant and Bookbox would know, so I've learnt something too re Com Serj Index.

Thank you Bookbox.

Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 18:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire,

I happen to be working on orphanage records ... You might be interested to know that the Common Serjeant's book entry says that Leonard's estate was worth 326li 9s 10d. With deductions for debt and his funeral expenses this came to just under 300li, of which (by the rules of orphanage) one third was set aside for his orphan Humphrey. This money would have been held either by sureties arranged by his widow, or in an interest bearing account overseen by the Chamberlain of London. When Humphrey reached 21, he would receive total with interest.

Leonard's widow was Elizabeth and Humphrey is named as the sole surviving son.

It says that Leonard also left a will (which I see is in the PCC archive) -- possibly you have this already.


cheers,
Mike
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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 November 18 22:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike

This is fabulous information, thank you so much :)

I do have the Will, yes. As yet I can't get any further back than 1603 when the Will went through probate, the family don't seem to appear in any other records, so what you have provided is meat on the bones, brilliant.

Thank you again
Claire
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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 November 18 21:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire,
If you have the probate date for the will I'll have a check through the orphan's court records (I can't promise anything -- the archive is massive!).
You're a bit unlucky that the Weavers' Company apprenticeship records to not survive back to the dates that you need. However, if he was an immigrant then he was probably free by redemption.

all the best,
Mike
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