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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 November 18 22:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike,

Thatís a wonderful offer and thank you, please donít go to too much trouble though but I do appreciate what you are offering.

Probate date for Leonardís Will was 29 October 1603.

Itís a shame my ancestor, or any of the other family members named in the Will donít seem to appear in any Anglican Registers, I have absolutely no idea where the family originated.

Thank you for your time 😊

Claire


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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 November 18 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire

Don't know if any of these returns are relevant, or helpful?

A search of the Bodleian Library, Oxford is also bringing up some search returns, but only under Curzon it seems.
https://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/s?query=Curzon

The British Library has quite an extensive collection of various Manuscripts and 65 for Curson on the Manuscripts Catalogue.
https://www.bl.uk/catalogues-and-collections/catalogues

Manuscripts Catalogue
http://searcharchives.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?dscnt=1&dstmp=1542845500280&vid=IAMS_VU2&fromLogin=true


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C 134/2/16
William de Curzun alias de Curszoun (Curson): Herefordshire, Norfolk
1 Edw II
(too early, but mentions Herefordshire)


C 104/261
BUNDLE No 9: Bond of Pauncefoote Wall of Hereford to John Curson of Exeter, merchant, 1668.
1560 to 1711


TNA has many more listings for Curson.

Understanding the movements of a family since, can also help to trace where the documents might be now and many that did survive were deposited into an Archive/s from where the family were living in the 20th Century, or retained in Private hands by them.

Bear in mind at some Archives, you might have to enquire by email, if they have a Handlist and/or paper Catalogues and Indexes, as some family collections are not online, or only a very brief summary of a collection appears.


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"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 November 18 00:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mark,

Thank you for those links, it is giving me things to work with, it's also the second time Herefordshire has come up.  http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/C7580385

John Curson and his sister Margaret (my direct ancestor) - were both children of Humphrey Curson.  Humphrey C married and lived in Exeter until his death in 1643.

Thankyou for all the help that you are giving me :)

Claire
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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 November 18 01:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire

Yes, the lands at Calowe / Callow, Much Birch and Haywood, may once have been owned or connected to Humfry / Humphry Curson of Exeter and then been sold or passed on.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=curson%20Hereford%20exeter&_ep=Curson&_dss=range&_sd=1550&_ed=1670&_ro=any&_st=adv

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Guys%20Hospital%20Curson&_ep=Guys%20Hospital&_dss=range&_sd=1500&_ed=1670&_ro=any&_st=adv

A subsequent owner seems to have deposited the Deeds at least.

Perhaps email Devon and Herefordshire Archives & see if they have anything else?

Happy hunting, Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 November 18 01:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire

Twyford mentioned.

An earlier reference to Twyford Norfolk here
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol8/pp282-285

Thomas Curson of Twyford was lord, and presented in 1393, and William Curson in 1414; but in the year 1448, John Heydon, Robert Popy, &c. presented; John Popy was lord in 1464, and with Catherine his wife

Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 November 18 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire

Curson and Cursons apparently appear in the following:-

Exeter in the Seventeenth Century: Tax and Rate Assessments, 1602-1699
Vol. 2
William George Hoskins, Printed for the Society by the Devonshire Press, 1957

Book contains the:-
Subsidy of 1602
Subsidy of 1629
The Poll Tax of 1660
(see Index of book for page numbers)

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12d X Richord Curson, widow 30s X John Curson 6s £3 0s 6d X George Curson 4s 12d X Ruth Greedy 12d 5s 6d X John Cooke merchant ...

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The Antient History and Description of the City of Exeter; ...
1765

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0npbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA210&dq=Cursoon+of+Exeter&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtsPDo1OfeAhXIJsAKHatyAXUQ6AEINTAE

John Curson, Receiver, and of the Common-Council, ... page 210
1697 John Curfon, Esq., being Mayor, ... page 215


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"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 22 November 18 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire

On the stone in the photograph it says Richard Curson Sr., was Born in England and Wife was Elizabeth Becker died 31st March 1787. Born 8th January 1731[?].
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/14739811/richard-curson

Don't know if above related to Exeter, or if any use, I'll leave the checking to you.


Richard Curson, Jr
BIRTH 1 Jun 1763

New York, New York County (Manhattan), New York, USA
DEATH 14 Jun 1808 (aged 45)
Baltimore City, Maryland, USA
BURIAL Old Saint Pauls Cemetery
Baltimore, Baltimore City, Maryland, USA
PLOT 86

Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 22 November 18 10:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire,

A preliminary search proved very easy.

A quick guide to the procedure of the orphans' court: if a freeman of the city of London dies with children under 21, the executor/administrator (often the widow) is bound by a recognizance to provide an inventory of the estate. Once the inventory is approved, the executor is bound by another recognizance to set aside a third value of the estate for the orphans. Once done, the court determined custody of the orphans. Subsequently, interest from the third portion could be used by the guardian to pay for costs, particularly education, of the orphans. When they are 21, orphans return to the court and sign off receipt of their portions.

For Elizabeth Curson the process begins on 17 Nov 1603 (this is in the Court of Aldermen Repertories). The inventory is approved and on 14 Mar 1603/4 she sets aside a third portion (100li) with four sureties:
herself,
Humphry Rosser, armourer,
George Hickson, skinner,
William Carpenter, skinner.

('armourer' and 'skinner' typically indicate company membership)

They are bound to secure the money with a penalty of 120li. This is quite low, suggesting they were deemed highly trustworthy by the court. For some reason, presumably clerical error, Leonard is described in the repertories as a citizen and draper (pannor[ius]).

There is a copy of the bond in the Letter Books, which has signatures from the sureties -- including Elizabeth. This also correctly describes Leonard as a weaver (textor[ius]).
If you are interested the LMA ref. for this is COL/AD/01/027, f. 183. Letter Book BB.

I recommend tracking down info on the sureties, and definitely read their wills if they left any. Orphan sureties are quite often friends or relatives of the bereaved family.

Note that there will be more information in the court, possibly details of the orphan's upbringing, but finding them will require a substantial search. Check back with me in a year or two and I may have more!

Something I spotted by chance: there's an entry in the repertories 14 Dec 1603 ordering that Elizabeth Curson, widow, may sell seacoals provided for the poor by retail at five pence the bushel.

I recommend checking the LMA and National Archives catalogues for Leonard as there are promising looking property and legal records that may take you back further.

all the best,
Mike
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Re: Help with three words and a surname
« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 November 18 00:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Firstly I have to thank you both, you've both been very kind in what you have found for me.

A few things I thought I would add just in case anyone else just happens to search for his family at a later date.


Humphrey Rosser is described as Leonards father in law in his Will, so presumably he is Elizabeth's father

George Hickson is described as Leonards brother in Law , I have managed to track this man today but it's not really got me any further with who these Cursons were.

George married Agnes Litch(e)lade in April 1589 - had four children John,  Ann, Humphrey and William.

George Hickson died in 1615, no Will that I can see.

Agnes married secondly Thomas Cummings. She died in 1622 but did leave a Will in the PCC, here she known as Ann Cumyns late wife of George Hickson skinner. Humphrey Curson of Exeter is her 'cousin' in the Will. It also mentions her sister Elizabeth Cotton of Exeter - I have to wonder if this should say Curson, and it is Humphreys mother, or perhaps she has married again.

I have plenty of searching to do, but it's so fascinating, thanks to you both :)

Claire
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