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Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« on: Wednesday 21 November 18 19:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi. I'm trying to find details of the parents and children of William Francey (born c1857) and Agnes Ayre (born c1855) from the Bellshill/Mossend area. I can only find death certificates for the two of them so have their parents names also. Offspring names I'm aware of are Rebecca, Joseph, James Robert Lizzie and Mary, but that's all I know about them (apart from James owning the Mossend Bar, 607 Main Street, in 1936). I've attached the relevant death certificates.
Thanks for any help offered
Logan, McMaster, Stewart, Ayre, Francey, Bartholomew

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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 November 18 22:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Triplog

Both William and Agnes' roots look to be in Ireland.

This is the best site to use for Irish church and civil records https://irishgenealogy.ie/

I think this is Agnes (Nancy is a common variant) and children in the 1901 Irish Census, in Kells, Antrim http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Kells/Tullaghgarby_Lower/930718/

Not sure why mother in law is showing as Rebecca rathen than Ellen as you had on William's death cert. You would need to look further into it. William did have a sister called Rebecca, who married and left for the US. On her death cert, her parents show as Alexander Francey and Rebecca Bartholomew.

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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 November 18 22:51 GMT (UK) »
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n2f/

The above link may eventually prove useful too.

Note, also, that the census Monica has linked to should likely read "Tullygarley" rather than Tullaghgarby. See here for the more usual spellings:

http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=19004
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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 November 18 23:24 GMT (UK) »
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Francey, James of 601 Main Street Mossend Bellshill Lanarkshire wine and spirit merchant died 18 July 1961 Confirmation Airdrie 28 December 1961 to Thomas Dunn Scott solicitor Allan Thom and Robert Greenhorne. Effects in Northern Ireland £1552 15s. 6d. Re-sealed Belfast 26 March.   

as found at https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

If you use the search facility at link above, with Francey in surname box and Tullygarley (or variants) in the Full Abstract box, you should find some other useful results, such as:

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=250989

the entry for Rebecca Francey, Tullygarley, died 1907, that mentions a son, William Francey. Likely the Rebecca of the 1901 census Monica linked to above.

Again, further checks needed re the Ellen Bartholomew named as your William's mum on his death certificate.

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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 November 18 07:59 GMT (UK) »
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/antrim/ahoghill.htm

shows various Francy, Bartholomew etc entries in Tullaghgarley (Tullygarley) in the mid 1800s, including an Alexander Francy.

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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 November 18 08:16 GMT (UK) »
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. I can only find death certificates for the two of them   

The Irish Genealogy Civil Index site seems to be down at the moment, but when it is back up and running, you should be able to view the 1880 marriage in Ballymena district, between William Francey and Agnes Ayre.

Again, the following can be checked when site is up:

Potential children include

Rebecca   Francy           16th August 1881 in Ballymena district

Alexander Francey   7th March 1883 in Larne district (out of district but worth checking)

Robert Francey           22nd February 1885 in Ballymena district
Mary Francy                  15th July 1887.                ".   "
James Francey           3rd December 1889.      ".   "
Archy Francey           8th April 1892.                ". "

Joseph Francis           2nd March 1894 (again, Larne district, but worth checking)

Elizabeth Francey          17th July 1897 in Ballymena district

Also in Ballymena district, the following marriage:

Robert Air to Mary Blair on 26th August 1854.

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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 November 18 10:25 GMT (UK) »
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp is back up and running. You should be able to view most of the actual certificates for free, albeit not all years are available yet and so some only give the index entry, with no link to certificate.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11023/8030693.pdf

will take you to William Francey/Agnes Ayre marriage certificate.
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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 November 18 11:16 GMT (UK) »
Rebecca Francey's will also mentions daughters Ellen Millar, ElizaMilliken and Rebecca Litson (?sp).

An Eliza Francey, Tullygarley, daughter of an Alexander Francey married a James Milliken on 20 October 1871.

A Rebecca Francey, Tullygarley, daughter of an Alexander Francey, married a Thomas Letson on 5 March 1881.She is the Rebecca who went to America.

Re William's death certificate. It is not unknown for death certificates to contain parental details that were not accurate, especially if the person informing the death was perhaps emotional at time and so inadvertently mixed up details given and/or their knowledge was not accurate and they gave what they thought to be the correct info. Hence, perhaps, Ellen rather than Rebecca. Certainly, evidence so far would point to Alexander Francey and Rebecca Bartholomew, rather than Ellen Bartholomew.

William and three of his children were possibly the group at 9, Balgraybank Street, Glasgow, Dennistoun, Lanarkshire in 1901. He was recorded as married, but his wife was not listed, which would fit with the 1901 Irish census Monica linked to earlier which was opposite way around.


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Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 November 18 14:15 GMT (UK) »
Great collection of records there, Scotsmum  :) Lots for Triplog to follow up there.

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