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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 25 November 18 18:02 GMT (UK) »
I don't remember where in the 20 page topic I read about the labour wife definition ...sorry .

Adoption wasn't official before 1915 I believe   I meant that DNA  could show if a child was a blood relative or not ...the official  2nd cousin definition is you share mutual great grandparents  or great grand children but it is only a guide

line to distance of relationship .For example  the man who shares a grandmother with my mother  comes out as  being  2nd cousin  closeness to her and 3rd cousin to me.
Whereas her true full cousin is   my  2nd cousin on DNA as well as on the family tree.

Mothers fathers sister your great aunt would come out as  1st.-2ndcousin relationship on dna her children would be official 2nd cousins.
Is that the result you got ?

So yes very useful to have cousins dna for elimination

You can look at younger generations for links too
1 of my paternal 4th cousin matches didn't know who his grandfather was but because  of his surnames I could work out he was 5x grandson of my grandfather's sister   .

Maybe your answers will come from someone whose DNA fits their tree except  to your link .....don't give up hope .

Hi Brigidmac

Just occurred to me maybe where you found the idea of Mary taking in children/labour wife.  On the 1881 census in addition to the two children, Mary Eliza Amelia and Robert Richard, there is a one year old girl called Daisy Muriel Hughes living with the family.  I had forgotten.  I have found her baptism, parents Godwin Hughes and Elizabeth.  He is a Captain in the Army. Apart from that baptism I can't find anything more about them which is disappointing.

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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 25 November 18 21:44 GMT (UK) »
It was on  1841 census as her profession...wife crossed out.

Also I wondered if she was doing day care for the Moss widower who was living in same house his children were 2 and 4.

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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 25 November 18 23:29 GMT (UK) »
On the 1881 census in addition to the two children, Mary Eliza Amelia and Robert Richard, there is a one year old girl called Daisy Muriel Hughes living with the family.  I had forgotten.  I have found her baptism, parents Godwin Hughes and Elizabeth.  He is a Captain in the Army. Apart from that baptism I can't find anything more about them which is disappointing.

Daisy Muriel appears to have been illegitimate.  I think that her mother was probably Elizabeth HUGHES, and father Godwin had a different surname.

HUGHES, DAISY  MURIEL
No mother's maiden surname
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 350

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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #30 on: Monday 26 November 18 01:47 GMT (UK) »
Daisy is who I thought she probably was.  Her supposed father was an Officer at Colchester in 1881.

Daisy Muriel AUSTEN
Record Type:    Baptism
Baptism Date:    8 Feb 1880
Baptism Place:    Somers Town Christ Church, Camden, England
Father:    Alfred Godwin AUSTEN
Mother:    Elizabeth Hughes AUSTEN

The mother is just named as Elizabeth HUGHES.

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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #31 on: Monday 26 November 18 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Daisy is who I thought she probably was.  Her supposed father was an Officer at Colchester in 1881.

Daisy Muriel AUSTEN
Record Type:    Baptism
Baptism Date:    8 Feb 1880
Baptism Place:    Somers Town Christ Church, Camden, England
Father:    Alfred Godwin AUSTEN
Mother:    Elizabeth Hughes AUSTEN

The mother is just named as Elizabeth HUGHES.

Debra  :)

Thank you Debra
I had not seen that baptism before.  I had found another :

Daisy Muriel Hughes
Gender:   Female
Record Type:   Baptism
Baptism Date:   1 Feb 1880
Baptism Place:   South Kensington St Luke, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father:   Godwin Hughes
Mother:   Elizabeth Hughes

On the photocopy of that baptism it says they lived at 37 Gunter Grove and he was a "Captain in the Army".  Certainly sounds like the same people.  I wonder if they got married in the week between the baptisms?

All very odd.  Godwin is such an unusual name there can't be that many.

Additionally there is an Electoral Register in 1887:

Godwin Hughes
Year:   1887
County or Borough:   Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency:   South Division
Street address:   83 Princes mews

Reference Number:   MR/PER/B/127

All this certainly adds evidence to the idea that the two children I am trying to trace (one my Grandmother) were adopted but unofficially I suppose. 

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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #32 on: Monday 26 November 18 11:04 GMT (UK) »
It's strange that Godwin changed his surname. .didn't someone find the census  record of him with wife & Daisy .

Your grandmother and brother may never have known their true parentage
I don't think my grandmother knew she was adopted may have thought she was brought up by grandparents

She sent for her full birth certificate when she was in her 50's and wrote her birth mother who asked her not to contact her again ! We found this letter and birth certificate after she died
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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #33 on: Monday 26 November 18 11:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brigid

Very odd about the surname change or was it just a mistake by the record keeper?  I have not seen a census with Godwin and Elizabeth together I don't think. 

I think perhaps you are right about my grandmother not knowing her parentage.  Certainly there was no hint from my mother.  I only met my grandmother once or twice when I was about 7 years old.  We didn't discuss parentage. :)

Your mother must have been very sad about that.  Rejected twice.  I have heard that is not atall unusual.

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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #34 on: Monday 26 November 18 12:36 GMT (UK) »
BIG News I think
I looked into the Jacquinot family  and there is a connection to London
I've added it to Isidore Jacquinot  but it's not his child
Father was a shoemaker. B Can you see document or  copy details when I add them on the private tree

so looks like birth date may be out ..my grandmother always said she was born 1900 but in fact it was dec.1899

Having a lunch break now ..hope to find more soon .
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Re: Finding an adopted child's real parents 1870's.
« Reply #35 on: Monday 26 November 18 12:42 GMT (UK) »
BIG News I think
I looked into the Jacquinot family  and there is a connection to London
I've added it to Isidore Jacquinot  but it's not his child
Father was a shoemaker. B Can you see document or  copy details when I add them on the private tree

so looks like birth date may be out ..my grandmother always said she was born 1900 but in fact it was dec.1899

Having a lunch break now ..hope to find more soon .

I don't think I will be able to view the document but I can see the details linked to the family.  You have done so well. 

I too must eat.

Belinda