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Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« on: Sunday 25 November 18 10:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I am looking for John Henry Castle born 1856, his wife Ruth Castle born 1876 and their children Alice born 1894, John Henry born 1895 and Ellen (or Helen) born 1904.
 In the 1901 census they are living at 85 Mosley Road Birmingham and recorded as husband and wife but I cannot find a marriage for them until 1903. I think that John Henry was married to a Sarah Jane Horton  in 1876 but have not identified her death and it seems that Ruth was possibly married to a Stephen Nelson in 1893 so it could be that Alice is Stephen's child. Baby Ruth, mentioned in this census, died later the same year. Mother Ruth is proving very hard to find prior to this census too and I cannot identify her birthplace as given.
John describes himself as variously a tin trader, a china dealer and a general dealer. They seem to move around a great deal (as did all the Castle family going by the variety of birth places listed for the children in the census). They were living in Oxford in 1895 when their son John Henry junior was born and baptised.
I have a possible death of John Henry in 1922 but cannot find any further mention of Ruth after the baptism of Helen (or Ellen) Castle  at Holy Trinity Church Bordsley on the 30th Nov 1904. They are then living in Watery Lane, Birmingham.
I have found their son John Henry living as a lodger aged 14in Leopold St. Birmingham in the 1911 census and identified Ellen Castle in a 1926 marriage in Birkdale Lancashire (I know it is her as family history gave her married name and that her husband ran a cafe) and she reports her father as deceased. However I cannot find anyone else
There is a possibility that they were a canal family as I know that their niece married into the Goldingay family who were watermen and John Henry junior married the widow of another of the Goldingays.
Has anyone any suggestions as to where I could look next to find out what happened to them and what Ruth’s background may be?

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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 November 18 10:29 GMT (UK) »
Ruth Castle born 1876. Was this her maiden name?
and you say that you cannot identify her birthplace "as given" yet don't actually say what IS given.

1901 census here? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZB-VPH

1901 birth reg of the infant in 1901?
CASTLE, RUTH       BARRITT     1900  D Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 279

CASTLE, MARY  ANN     BARRITT      1902  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 309

CASTLE, ELLEN       BARRITT     1904  D Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 271

CASTLE, HENRY       BARRITT     1907  D Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 227
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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 25 November 18 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Thank you that is great! I thought that her maiden name may have been Barritt but that is only if she was married to Stephen Nelson so those birth details for Ruth and Ellen confirm it.
In the 1901 census she gives her birth place as Staffordshire Wood Villaye or Village
I can find a Ruth Barritt of the right age born in Measham, Leicestershire but living in Staffordshire in the 1881 census. But then nothing in the 1891 census. I have the 1901 census details but again nothing in 1911.


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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 25 November 18 10:50 GMT (UK) »
Please provide your timeline.
eg when these marriage(s) took place and where, what names appear on the certificates?
and if you do have a census , it doesn't help us to know which record you are looking at unless you (as I did) give a link or easy reference.

what trace is there of Mary ann 1902 and henry 1907?
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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 25 November 18 11:06 GMT (UK) »
CASTLE, GEORGE  CHARLES     HORTON     1879  S Quarter in HEADINGTON  Volume 03A  Page 668
CASTLE, CHARLES  JAMES     HORTON     1881  M Quarter in HEADINGTON  Volume 03A  Page 740
CASTLE, ERNEST  HARRY     HORTON     1883  S Quarter in HEADINGTON  Volume 03A  Page 720

Can't see any further births from a Castle-Horton marriage.
Did you  trace this family unit in 1881 & 1891?    
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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 25 November 18 11:21 GMT (UK) »
 You seem to be quiet.

is this the 1893 marriage @ St John the Baptist, Leamington (Stephen Nelson- Ruth Barritt)?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGDL-XYJX

and the 1881 census? (with "correct" father's name)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27X-TSH2
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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 25 November 18 12:16 GMT (UK) »
Sorry - Just had to deal with other matters :-\
I will have to work on how to provide links as I am new to this.

Yes those are the records I have found.

Re Castle /Horton
1881 John and Sarah are living with his brother Edward and have no children recorded
1891 census John Henry is still married to Sarah J but no children recorded.
I have the census details via Ancestry and am trying to confirm the details before purchasing any certificates (given their cost).

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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 25 November 18 12:25 GMT (UK) »
You can purchase a pdf of births & deaths at a cheaper rate by using this link rather than ordering through ancestry or some other site.

www.gro.gov.uk

Pheno
Austin/Austen - Sussex & London
Bond - Berkshire & London
Bishop - Sussex & Kent
Holland - Essex
Nevitt - Cheshire & Staffordshire
Wray - Yorkshire

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Re: Arthur and Emily Mary Douce - who are they and where do they go?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 25 November 18 13:30 GMT (UK) »
Candidate for Ruth in 1891 Aston. (15-y-old servant)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WLRQ-G3Z

& a likely birth registration.
BARRITT, RUTH       RUTTER     1876  J Quarter in ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 94

BARRETT, ANNE  MARIA     RUTTER   1877  D Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 103
BARRITT, JOSEPH       RUTTER     1881  J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 422

1875 marriage at Measham. Eli Barritt & Ann Rutter
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-FQCM

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