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Who is Agnes Wilson?
« on: Monday 26 November 18 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I've hit an odd record and a bit of a brick wall. I've been following family lines back from a Jane Elizabeth Lomax (b. 9th May 1887, baptised 31st Jan 1888 in Mayfield, Derbyshire and then seemingly again on 26th June 1889 in Attercliffe, Yorkshire) Her parents are Edward Lomax and Agnes.

In 1891 I can find a family in Geasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, which consists of:

Edward   Lomax   Head          Married   Male           43   1848   -
Agnes   Lomax   Wife          Married   Female   43   1848   -   Duffield, Derbyshire,
Jane E   Lomax   Daughter   -           Female   3   1888   -   Staffordshire, England
Edward   Lomax   Son           -           Male   0           1891   -   Yorkshire, England

Which seems to match the birth record of Jane Elizabeth Lomax well


In 1901 I can find them again, this time in Attercliffe, Sheffield:

Edward Lomax   Head         Married Male   48   1853      Manchester, Lancashire
Agnes   Lomax   Wife         Married Female   44   1857      Duffield, Yorkshire
May       Lomax   Daughter Single     Female   16   1885      Mayfield, Derbyshire
Jane E   Lomax   Daughter Single     Female   13   1888      Mayfield, Derbyshire,
Edward  Lomax   Son         Single     Male   7   1894      Masbrough, Yorkshire
Ellen       Lomax   Daughter Single     Female   6   1895      Sheffield, Yorkshire

Weirdly, Edward and Agnes don't appeared to have aged much. I know people's ages can be a bit flexible, but Agnes is only recorded as a year older. Despite this, I think they're the same people.

There are very few marriage records between Edward Lomaxes and Agneses, and only one that makes sense:

Edward Lomax & Agnes Wilson, 25th December 1873, Mayfield, Staffordshire

Edward's father: James Lomax
Agnes' father: Joseph Rogers (??)

When I look at the image itself, Joseph Rogers has a line drawn through it. Is this a mistake or mistranscription? Was Agnes actually illegitimate, and the father they wrote in was a mistake?

I have searched for 'Agnes Wilson' and 'Agnes Rogers' pre 1873, but can't find anything that makes sense. Can anyone help?

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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 November 18 15:08 GMT (UK) »
If you check the birth registrations of the children on the GRO website it will show the mothers maiden name

Ellen Lomax born Jun 1894 Sheffield has mothers name Wilson

Maybe Joseph Rogers was a step father - any sign of him around the time Agnes was young.

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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 November 18 15:26 GMT (UK) »
If she dies age 70 in 1927 then birth year of 1857 might be this one - right district no father

Agnes Wilson Dec 1856 Belper

If she was young when she married ages may have been fiddled a bit. 

Can you see the actual marriage for her - does it give an actual age for her?
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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 November 18 15:33 GMT (UK) »
1861 has an Agnes Wilson age 4 who is a niece to Benjamin & Ellen Bembridge

1871 she's Agnes Bembridge age 14 down as daughter to same couple

I don't know if this is your Agnes or not but worth checking out 

Ellen was a Wilson so maybe a sister of hers was Agnes mother
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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 November 18 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Marriage Parish registers Page 44 entry 85
St Alkmund Derby 8 Sept 1851
Benjamin Bembridge Bachelor labourer Little Eaton father Thomas Bembridge occ farmer
Ellen Wilson 26 spinster servant Little Eaton father James Wilson occ Miller
Benjamin signed Ellen made her mark
witnesses J Hutchinson Mary Bassett? both signed

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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 November 18 17:50 GMT (UK) »
there is this baptism
St Aulkmund Derby Page 98 entry 780
19 April 1857 Agnes Wilson
parents Thomas & Mary
fathers occ Labourer
abode Henry ? St

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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 21:30 GMT (UK) »
I don't think that one is her.  The one with parents Thomas & Mary marries Thomas Kinch I believe in 1877.
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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 21:47 GMT (UK) »
1861 has an Agnes Wilson age 4 who is a niece to Benjamin & Ellen Bembridge

1871 she's Agnes Bembridge age 14 down as daughter to same couple

I don't know if this is your Agnes or not but worth checking out 

Ellen was a Wilson so maybe a sister of hers was Agnes mother

1881 - Mayfield

Benjamin Bembridge    58
Ellen Bembridge    58
Thomas Bembridge    20
Annie Bembridge    18
Ellen Bembridge    15
Agnes Lomas    24 - b Duffield
Mary Lomas    4 - b Wakefield

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Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 29 November 18 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Wow! That's fantastic - we've got the right Agnes Wilson/Lomax; I need to research Ellen Bembridge/Wilson to look into her siblings.

Is it ever the case that parents would put down on the census that an illegitimate child is a 'niece'? Wondered if Ellen was a possible candidate for being the mother...?