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Offline Davedrave

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Help with unravelling a family mystery
« on: Tuesday 27 November 18 09:03 GMT (UK) »
My fatherís mother died when he was 4. He lived with his father and his motherís mother in her (the grandmotherís) house. During my fatherís childhood (1930ís) his grandmother brought a girl home to live with them. I donít think my father knew quite who she was.

A lot later there was a boy at my junior school who was this mystery girlís son. My sister remembers him (he was a bit of a bully until told of the family connection ;D). Looking on freebmd, I found him and his motherís surname is the same as the married name of the one surviving sister of my dadís mother. I also found his motherís marriage at just the right date. However, I canít find a perfect match for his motherís birth. Her forenames were Jean M. The only Jean M. was born in 1937 and the motherís maiden name doesnít match. Moreover, my Dad was then 13 and I donít think that matches: by the time someone born then was the age she seems to have been when she arrived in the household, he had left for the war. Moreover, she would have been too young to marry in 1951.

There is however, a Jean F., born in London (so well away from the place where my Dadís family were), who was born in 1929, so closer in age to my Dad, and the motherís name and maiden name are the same, and the same as the married name of my grandmotherís sister.

It seems that the mystery girl was therefore probably the illegitimate daughter of this aunt, but should I be worried about the exact correspondance in the birth reg?

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Re: Help with unravelling a family mystery
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 09:08 GMT (UK) »
I really can't follow that. Use false surname to clarify if you must

Was this mystery infant/child/girl living with your father's grandmother in 1939?
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Re: Help with unravelling a family mystery
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 09:17 GMT (UK) »
Was your great-aunt married by the time Jean F was born?  You say her birth was registered in the surname which was your great-auntís married name, with no separate maiden name.

If gt-aunt was already married the illegitimacy theory doesnít work (unless you mean the childís natural father was someone other than the husband), and the registration details donít look right for a birth within marriage.
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Re: Help with unravelling a family mystery
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Sorry my account was a bit garbled. Iíll call the family ďSmithĒ and ďBloggsĒ. I have since discovered that my dadís motherís sister, Blanche Smith, married Fred Bloggs (his name really was Frederick ;D) in 1908. They seem to have had daughter Emma Bloggs in 1912 (birth reg of Emma Bloggs, motherís maiden name Smith) in Leicester. I have found no marriage for Emma Bloggs.

They also had daughter Blanche Bloggs in 1921, motherís maiden name Smith.
In the early 1930ís, most likely, grandmother Smith brings home to live a girl somewhat younger than my dad (born 1924), who subsequently married in Leicester as Jean M Bloggs, who my father knew as Margaret (presumably her middle name) who was the mother of the boy at school. I can find only the birth of a Jean F Bloggs who seems to fit the bill age-wise. She was born in London in 1929, and the maiden name on the registration is also Bloggs.

There is no Leicester birth of Jean Bloggs and the name is certainly uncommon in the area.
Is it likely that Jean born in London was the daughter of unmarried 17 year old Emma Bloggs?


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Re: Help with unravelling a family mystery
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 15:38 GMT (UK) »
Davedrave,

I would say it's a possibility but no one can say if it's probable that your theory is correct.

The girl might have been related in a different way; she might not have been related at all.

You'd have to order all of the certificates to see if they supported your theory and then try to find other substantiation afterwards.

Have you looked for obits for some of the people involved, in case they provide any clues?

Have you tried to make contact with the boy whom your sister knew in school? Perhaps he could solve the mystery for you.

Good luck with your research!

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Re: Help with unravelling a family mystery
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Did you try looking for a birth for a Margaret Jean Bloggs?

Or another theory, could the girl Jean M Bloggs have been the daughter of unmarried Emma Bloggs?

Is Jean M Bloggs still living? If she has passed away, the registration of her death may have her date of birth.

I would be ordering certificates to check what I think I know, and 1939 register.


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