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I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« on: Tuesday 27 November 18 12:19 GMT (UK) »
I have a friend whose family history I am researching. He tells me that soon after he started senior school, 1959, he was called into the headmaster's study and told that his aunt had died in a car accident. I can find no record of the accident in the British newspaper archive nor any record of her actual death. I would appreciate any assistance.

The accident almost definitely took place in Norbury, London, in 1959. The lady's name was Mabel Morris Machray, maiden name Downie.  I confirm the spelling of those two surnames.

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Re: I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi  Martin

I'm on the move at the moment but I assume that you have a death reg -> cert?

Added - sorry just read that you have looked (phone with small text  :-[  )

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Re: I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Any idea of her year of birth and/or age at death? Do you have the marriage record?

ADDED: Was she Scottish [from name construction]? Can't find suitable birth of a Mabel M Downie.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 12:34 GMT (UK) »
there is this death reg -transcribed as
Mabel M Mackray
age 78
Dec qtr 1961 Croydon Surrey
5g 98

could your friend be a couple of years out ??

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Re: I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 12:35 GMT (UK) »
MacHray it is written somewhere I saw but that should make no difference at all

Did she marry William Forsyth?

Machray is quite unusual

I know you have been at this lark for a long time Martin and I do wonder if you can't find it, who can ????

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 12:37 GMT (UK) »
I think her birth date is 1882, so I reckon suzard it is near enough

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
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Re: I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Have you found her on 1939 register?

ADDED: Looks like suzard has found likely death. 'h' & 'k' very easy to confuse in lower case manuscript.

ADDED2: Birth found on SP free index, 1883.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: I'm sure my friend isn't imagining this...
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi
No names unfortunately but there is a long report about accident figures around Norbury, Croydon
for the previous year 1961
Norwood News March 9th 1962
Casualties included...sadly..
" A woman who got up from her seat and walked to the platform of a bus before it reached the stop was thrown off as it went round a bend, fell on her head and was killed"

It mentions 21 fatal accidents, 9 of them adult and 8 of those persons were aged between 65 and 80.
Article available on Findmypast

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 November 18 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Nothing found as M&A said, on BNA. Maybe a trawl through Croydon Advertiser [other titles may be available....] at the main library in Croydon? It may not have yet been digitised to such a comparatively recent year.

ADDED: Good find cath151  ;). Maybe that death certificate is worth a 6 punt & will give actual date of death for newspaper search.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON