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Offline Jill Eaton

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Help finding a birth registration
« on: Wednesday 28 November 18 09:16 GMT (UK) »
I have a catholic baptism for twins in 1859. The baptism took place at St Mary's Horseferry Road Westminster. I downloaded the original image from Findmypast.

The children are Daniel and Joanna Sullivan. Father called Daniel Sullivan and mother called Honora (looks like Mornahan?) godparents Patrick Sullivan, Ellen (Mornahan?) and Maria Sullivan

There is no address on the record for them but the document says born Mai (May) 1859.

I can't find a birth registration for either of them. I'd also like to know if there were any other children from this marriage.
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
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Hollingsworth - Essex
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Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 09:29 GMT (UK) »
Do you know any more about the twins - whether they survived & appear in any census?  If you canít find a registration in the usual places then it is perfectly possible their births were not registered.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 09:33 GMT (UK) »
With all those very Irish sounding names and being Catholic too,it is possible that they were born in Ireland.
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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Now found in 1861: RG9/48/147/17

4 James Court, St John Westminster

Daniel Sullivan 35 coal porter County Cork
Honora Sullivan 33 County Cork
Mary do daur 8 Whitechapel
Elizabeth do daur 6 Whitechapel
James do son 4 St John Westminster
Daniel do son 2 St John Westminster
Joanna do daur 2 St John Westminster
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Could it be this marriage?
Marriages Sep 1852 
FORWARD    Charlotte        Westminster    1a   503    
HILL    Joseph        Westminster    1a   503   
Murrion    Honora        Westminster    1a   503    
RICE    Richard        St James    1a   503    
Sullivan    Daniel        Westminster    1a   503   
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Possibly the same family in 1871 living in St John Westminster London:

Daniel Sulivan    Head    M    44    born Ireland occ: Labourer
Norah Sulivan    Wife    F    38    born Ireland
Elza Sulivan    Daughter    16    born Westminster
James Sulivan    Son            14    born Westminster
Daniel Sulivan    Son        12    born Westminster
Johanah Sulivan    Daughter    12    born Westminster
Dennis Sulivan    Son        9    born Westminster
Norah Sulivan    Daughter    0    born Westminster
Ellen Daly    Mother        43    Ireland
Patrick Daly    Son        7    Ireland

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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 10:56 GMT (UK) »
Can you post a snippet of the findmypast baptism image so that we can look at Honora's maiden name please? I can't find any of the childrens' births [as likely from the 2 census finds] on GRO index.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 11:01 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if this is the right family - another baptism at Horseferry Rd Westminster:

Mary Sullivan born 3 Dec 1852, baptised 12 Dec 1852

Parents: Daniel + Honora nee Mulnane, of 5 New Court.


Sponsors: Terence Sullivan, Mary Sullivan.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help finding a birth registration
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 November 18 11:07 GMT (UK) »
The motherís maiden name is clearly Mornahan on the twinsí baptism.

They were baptised the same day they were born ó 22 May 1859.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)