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Missing Marriage
« on: Thursday 29 November 18 10:19 GMT (UK) »
According to Family Search, Ancestry and Find My Past, Edward Morton married Elizabeth Stark at Newcastle St Andrew on 21st November 1756. However, FreeReg, which has the St Andrew marriages for the period, makes no mention of this marriage. I wonder if anyone going to the Tyne and Wear archive or Woodhorn could check the original parish register for me? I'm in Edinburgh so it's difficult for me to get there!

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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 November 18 13:00 GMT (UK) »
According to Family Search, Ancestry and Find My Past,

Not answering your question but although the marriage shows on all three of these sites the source of the information on FindMyPast is Familysearch so if an error was made by FS it will merely be duplicated on F M P.  I cannot check Ancestry but suspect the same as they also hold transcripts pulled over from Familysearch.
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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 November 18 14:14 GMT (UK) »
Transcriptions for Newcastle St Andrew on FreeReg, by decade
https://www.freereg.org.uk/freereg_contents/546396aee937904abb6f4245/show_church

Can also break down into
Bishop's Transcripts - none for the 1750's, they may not survive back that far.
Other Transcript - 296 transcriptions for marriages, 1750-59
(Source of those? Doesn't seem to say, may be the parish registers)

FamilySearch
Edward Morton + Eliz Stark, 21 Nov 1756, St Andrew's, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne

source
Film 1564928
item 3 page 17

MF 1564928 is in the LDS catalogue, as St Andrew
Baptisms, 1683-1741 Marriages, 1682-1803 Burials, 1687-1741

BUT
Doing a record search, and using that film number, looking for marriages in 1756
A lot of the names have two entries (Morton - Stark, only one)
i.e.
(first in the list)
James Adamson + Jane Reay
14 November 1756 (item 3 page 17)
2 December 1756

or
Roger Wardale + Ann Clark
14 November 1756 (item 3 page 17)
16 November 1756

It looks as if banns may be being indexed by FamilySearch, though not listed as being on the film. Perhaps it was one of those registers that combined banns/marriages.

Calendar for November 1756
https://moodle.lse.ac.uk/calendar/view.php?view=month&course=1&time=-6726844800

Sundays were the 7, 14, 21, 28 November

So 21st November 1756 may have been the third and last calling of banns at St Andrew between Edward Morton + Elizabeth Stark. But they may not have married there?

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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 November 18 15:31 GMT (UK) »
Bill Rounce Transcriptions of Newcastle St. Andrew marriages are on Genuki.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/Newcastle/StAndrews/ChurchRecords/NSA1750

No marriages between 16 Nov 1756 (Roger Wardale and Ann Clark) and 2 Dec 1756 (James Adamson and Jane Reay).

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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 November 18 15:50 GMT (UK) »
So, still looks like a banns record.
If so, and it says that one of the parties was of another parish, you could look for a marriage there. But first you would have to see the St Andrew's record!
It's also possible that banns were called but no marriage took place anywhere.


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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 November 18 16:00 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if this is of any interest.

Northumberland Parish Records,1538- 1950 on Familysearch have  marriages in Newcastle ( banns?) - 27 June 1756 and 11 July 1756 -Edward Morton and Elizabeth Rantall. There are images but you would have to go to a Family history centre to view them.

William
Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)

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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 November 18 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Durham Records has this marriage:
Marriage Bonds, Durham Diocese District - Record Number: 397981.14
Location: Durham Diocese
Church: Marriage Bonds (entire diocese)
Denomination: Anglican
17 Mar 1758 Edward Morton (yeoman, age 24, of Whorlton) obtained a licence to marry Mary Banks (age 24, of Northallerton, Yorkshire), directed to Whorlton
Surety: Richard Chipchase, butcher, of Durham City
[Note: married 19 Mar at Whorlton.]

could it be that only the banns were read and that he didn't marry Elizabeth but went on to marry Mary?

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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 November 18 09:00 GMT (UK) »
I should be at Woodhorn on Wednesday as usual so happy to look at the record to see exactly what it says. 

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Re: Missing Marriage
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 November 18 11:31 GMT (UK) »
That would be wonderful! Thanks to everyone who responded for their helpful comments. It was actually the Banns for the marriage with Elizabeth Rentole which led me on to this one and that only made the puzzle worse!

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Andrew Morton