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Re: The Shropshire banner at Agincourt
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 02 December 18 11:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alberbury,
In reply to KGarrad's explanation of the Shropshire flag you make the cryptic observation "1415". Do you mean you disagree with his dates or that you still think the flag described by Drayton existed in 1415 ?
Can you be clearer on what information you want ?

Maec


Most of the Counties listed are still using the same flag to this day. Shropshire used something different. What did this flag, banner, or ensign look like?
Thanks Alberbury.
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont. Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley Prichard
Battersea Young
Brechin Allan,Barrie,Duthie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Thomson,Valentine,Watt
Chelsea Coates,Smith
Emneth Bennington
Wisbech Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: The Shropshire banner at Agincourt
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 02 December 18 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Medieval armies were private armies, of noble people.
Consequently they would bear the arms and banners of their Lord.

Very few counties had recognisable arms until the late 19th century.
The first arms granted to a County Council were in 1889.

Under heraldic law in England, arms are not granted to places as such, but only to the corporate bodies that govern them. Accordingly, although arms and devices were associated with counties from the eighteenth century onward, there were no official grants until the establishment of county councils in 1889.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: The Shropshire banner at Agincourt
« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 December 18 18:18 GMT (UK) »
http://www.discoverbritainstowns.co.uk/news/oswestry-welsh-border-market-town/

An interesting feature of the church is the Yale Memorial at the end of the north wall. This commemorates the Yale family which endowed Yale University. The church has two fonts, the older at the north wall dating from 1662. This font shows the crest of the Lloyd family, a double headed eagle. The Holy Roman Emperor granted the crest to the Lloyd’s to mark their dedication to the Crusades. Colonel Lloyd, Governor of the Castle, presented the font bearing the crest in 1662, in gratitude for the restoration of the King. Parliamentarians occupied the church during the Civil War. As a result it suffered damage and was re-built in 1670s.

Llwyd Mansion on Cross Street is a Grade I listed timber-framed building dating from the late C15th. A notable feature is the irregular arrangement of the windows. The building is a Scheduled Ancient Monument.

http://www.discoverbritainstowns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/oswestry27.jpg

Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont. Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley Prichard
Battersea Young
Brechin Allan,Barrie,Duthie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Thomson,Valentine,Watt
Chelsea Coates,Smith
Emneth Bennington
Wisbech Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont. Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley Prichard
Battersea Young
Brechin Allan,Barrie,Duthie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Thomson,Valentine,Watt
Chelsea Coates,Smith
Emneth Bennington
Wisbech Bell,Briggs,Willcock