Author Topic: Changing name by deed poll  (Read 855 times)

Offline Caw1

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 206
  • Joyce Irene Harriss 1920 - 2011
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 02 December 18 08:59 GMT (UK) »
My mother elected to change her surname and I only discovered this when I looked at my full birth certificate.

On it are the details of her name changing and the date she elected to do this. As far as I know this is the only record I've found and it doesn't tell me the place where this was done. The date of this declaration was 5 days before my birth was registered!

Her reason for this name change was because my father was already married so therefore was unable to marry my mother but they remained together, my father never returned to his first family. It came as quite an eye opener when I read it as they had kept my birth certificate from me for a very long time!

I would be interested to know if there is an actual document somewhere that verifies this information.
Would it have to be done by a solicitor or at the Registrars?

Caroline
Guy - UK,USA
Bangerter -UK,Australia,Switzerland
Harriss - UK, Australia
Merrall - UK
Swinnock - UK
Lloyd - UK

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline whiteout7

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,682
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 02 December 18 09:09 GMT (UK) »
Link to previous post more details on Desmond's mother Ethel Salter

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=169014.0

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline Jebber

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,734
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 02 December 18 09:10 GMT (UK) »
You can call yourself what you like as long as it is not for criminal purposes, you don't need a lawyer or Registrar. You just inform you bank and others etc that you wish to be known by the new name.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

Offline whiteout7

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,682
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 02 December 18 10:12 GMT (UK) »
I'm not entirely convinced filling in a 2nd marriage certificate with both of the names you have used is hiding from the government if you owed money in court.

Also if you were not divorced/legally separated would they not notice you marrying again bigamously?


Wemyss/Crombie/Laing (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

Offline whiteout7

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,682
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 02 December 18 10:20 GMT (UK) »
This birth entry is probably just co-incidence and not a sibling?

Births Sep 1923   
Jervis    Bertha    Salter    Chesterfield    7b   1398

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

Offline Bookbox

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,691
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 02 December 18 10:45 GMT (UK) »
If a name is changed by Deed Poll it should show up in the London Gazette.

No, only if the deed poll was enrolled, and most are not.

All the information required to answer the poster's original question is in the link posted by crisane right back in reply #1. It's worth reading. Here it is again ...

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/changes-of-name/

Offline wivenhoe

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,544
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 02 December 18 10:49 GMT (UK) »
On the two marriage certificates that you have....do the signatures of the groom look the same?

How is the groom described in each.....age, occupation, address, father's name and occupation?

Are these the two marriages -
FreeBDM 
SALTER Desmond   marr.  MAXFIELD   @ Sheffield    9c /1528   JunQ 1942
DESNEY Robert       marr.  FINLAYSON   @  Ploughley    6b /   1801  DecQ 1958


births
SALTER Desmond   mms.  SALTER    @  Chelsea    1a   477 DecQ 1918
SALTER Desmond E   mms.  DENSLEY  @  Farnham    2a /   236  SepQ 1926

If you the assume use of a new name to avoid detection, it is wise to keep your given name, unless it is a very distinctive name. If people call to you as "Robert" when your name is really "Desmond", and you do not respond, it would draw attention.



Online ali607

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 984
  • GG Grandad John Collier 'The Contratenor Singer'
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 02 December 18 10:52 GMT (UK) »
I'm not entirely convinced filling in a 2nd marriage certificate with both of the names you have used is hiding from the government if you owed money in court.

Also if you were not divorced/legally separated would they not notice you marrying again bigamously?

He left the original marriage in about 1947 (although had never been fully present since the birth of the child in 1945). There was a divorce for which I have papers. He basically went AWAL on and off for a few years after the birth - he was in the navy and I believe 'had a woman in every port'.

I think he may have changed his name quite soon after 1947 to avoid the courts...I have seen some phone book entries which are possibly him under his new name (it's obviously an unusual name!)

However the second marriage was 11 years later in 1958 - when he uses his new name in brackets. And it does say 'formerly Desmond Salter)...which maybe indicaters that it wasn't done by deed poll...but I have to try and uncover every stone in a bid to find any clues as to his father!

Alison
Surname interests:
Salter, Fulford, Woodcock, Finney, Tissington, Driscoll, Shea, Maxfield, Collier, Hughes, Williams, Petty, Pearson, Prescott, Baldwin,

Area interests:
West Riding Yorkshire: Rotherham, Hemsworth, Darfield, Sheffield
Worcestershire/Staffordshire: Oldbury, West Bromwich, Halesowen, White Heath
Lancashire: Wigan, Aspull,
Nottinghamshire: Worksop
erbyshire:alfreton, ironville, codnor

Offline Kiltpin

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 278
  • Stand and be Counted
    • View Profile
Re: Changing name by deed poll
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 02 December 18 10:54 GMT (UK) »
Is name change more common than we think? 

Well - 

What is the total membership of RootsChat and how many use their real name? 

Regards 

Chas/Kiltpin
Whannell - Eaton - Jackson
India - Scotland - Australia